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>> Welcome, everyone. Good
morning and good afternoon,
thank you. Thank

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you for your tuning in to the
EPA

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A Developer's Perspective on
Superfund Site Redevelopment
webinar. As I

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mentioned, my name is Kat West,
I'm a nonpracticing
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attorney and a redevelopment
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We support the work of the EPA

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redevelopment initiative. I am
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I am really happy to be shared
all the great

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information that we have for you
today. EPA's

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redevelopment webinars share
valuable information. They

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share success stories as well as
challenges. With the

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hope that the stories will
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use on other blighted property.

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Each of these webinars provide
guidance and tools and lessons
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support the appropriate reuse of
Superfund sites. Today, we will

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discuss the cleanup and
redevelopment of the Naval
industrial reserve

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Superfund site, otherwise known
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This is a preview of what we
will cover today. I will start
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brief background on Superfund
redevelopment and the benefits

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of redeveloping, tentative
properties before diving into an
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the site history, cleanup, and
current status of the NIROC
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site. Paul, hello, president of
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present the site. We are hoping
that his presentation of the
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results of the northern
industrial Park may help

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them fire local governments,
tribal government, site owners,
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interested in finding developers
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fire developers to consider
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Superfund site. Then I will
conclude webinar with some
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in the question and answer
session. Superfund redevelopment

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future use opportunities and
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reuse considerations can and
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any point during the Superfund
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different ways to reuse
Superfund sites. There is really

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no one-size-fits-all solution to
determining which reuse types
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be the most appropriate.
Contaminated sites pose

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unique challenges. In terms of
both cleanup and reuse. However,
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can also allow for a

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broad spectrum of safe and
productive reuse

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possibilities. Returning
contaminated sites to productive
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part of the EPA's mission.

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This has developed
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diligently working to see those
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are realized. If you're
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task force, feel free to check
out the link in the resources
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the right of your screen. For
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the EPA's Superfund
redevelopment reuse and
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I encourage you to visit the
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link to the website is here on
the side. It's also listed in
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resources pod on the right side
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redevelopment webinar series,
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on opportunities, benefits,
strategies, liability
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and risk management for
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developers and local, state, and
tribal government. This
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session will include a robust
question-and-answer as well as
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to share their perspectives on
how to encourage more and faster
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redevelopment across the
country. Presenters

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will answer questions about
available resources and support,
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practices and update
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and guidance. Pictured left, on
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Pete Lopez, regional
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reuse to the city of Jersey
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Jersey Department of
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for their effort to develop the
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Jersey City. The EPA redesigned
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cat to accommodate the
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The site is not state-of-the-art
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Pictured on the right, on August
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three administrator presented
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award to Jeffrey Marshall,

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president of Heritage
Conservancy for outstanding

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work in the reuse of the
Superfund site. The Heritage
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acquired 80 acres of the site in
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authorized a nature preserve
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plain forest in Pennsylvania.
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accessible green space and a
developed area of Bucks County
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by many critters.

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I encourage you to read to visit
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page on the website as well to
learn more about the specific
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that are partnered with
Superfund redevelopment
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with these organization helps
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tools and resources to turn
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reality. Superfund redevelopment
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the Academy of model
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soccer foundation, rails to
trails Conservancy, the trust's
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and pollinator partnership.
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with Superfund and are very

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willing to work with
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and other stakeholders to
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for the local Superfund sites.
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please feel free to submit your
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We will have plenty of time at
the end as well as survey
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in fact, I will provide a brief
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reserve ordinance plan Superfund
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Paul to hush Paul's in-depth
discussion. So, the

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site history. This occupies 83
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Interstate 694. East of
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if you know the location. In
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pump company under contract to
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plant and began naval weaponry
equipment for the Navy. The
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was partially owned by the
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partially owned by the
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Making it a government owned
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During World War II, the plant
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in production, making it one of
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facilities, 86.000 to earn the
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in 1940. the NIROC facility was
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and operated under contract to
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Navy to produce naval weaponry
and equipment. NIROC was later
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by the SNB Corporation. The
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and partially by the northern
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2004. the Navy sold NIROC
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Limited partnership. In 2005.
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the property to Minneapolis LLC.
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the former property and lease
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the property to [Indiscernible],
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lot of history. Hopefully you
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the operators disposed of
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trenches on the site called the
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area. The former plating shots
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an additional [Indiscernible]
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Improper waste disposal
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surface water, and soil
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site to the Superfund program
national party list in

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The Navy did conduct the first
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contaminated soil. It was
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operable units.

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Minneapolis-based company that
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Superfund site including
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site Boise The EPA made it clear
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site area would need to be
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use standards. EPA, Minnesota
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control agency, the Navy, and
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cooperatively to redefine site
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the redevelopment.

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They are providing a clear

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path to prospective purchasers,
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implement cleanup sites and
activities. This is phase
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The program really complemented
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Superfund program and provided a
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much more quickly. Original
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for redeveloping the site over a
ten-year period. Things said

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the expedited cleanup and the
collaborative approach, the
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was actually finished in six
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Navy is redesigning the
groundwater treatment system in
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lower cost system will be in
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>> The current site status, that
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industrial Park. The northern
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including manufacturing
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service providers, military
equipment contractors, and more.
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continue to open up the site,
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favorite is the forgotten star
brewing company using

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the latest industrial park seeks
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than just a place to work. It
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areas with organized food truck
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paid trails paid trails along
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River. The award can be given to
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partners that have demonstrated
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cooperatively with EPA region
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especially those that promote
innovative and sustainable reuse
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October 28. 2019. EPA

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region five anticipated in the
celebration of the final phase
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at the naval industrial reserve
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At the event, the EPA region
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presented awards to the rest of
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control agency, and high
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a picture inside the forgotten
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We will ask Paul if he can
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that. Now I will turn the
presentation over

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to Paul. This is a family owned
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developer based in Minneapolis,
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They cofounded this in 2012 with
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urban redevelopment sites. Since
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completed 4.4 million square
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in Minnesota, Colorado, and
North Dakota. He will discuss
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extraordinary redevelopment of
the site. Paul, take it away.

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>> Good afternoon. It's good to
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part of this. I am waiting for
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to pop up here. Is my PowerPoint
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>> Give it one moment, Paul.
There we go. It's

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up now.

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Looks great. It is great to be
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I am here today to walk you
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elements of redeveloping a
Superfund site. From the
perspective of

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a developer. We have been
fortunate to develop four
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in our career. As a previous
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real estate. We are focused on
redeveloping polluted sites

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since 1996. We think that we've
got better real estate risk by

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taking on environmental risk and
mitigating

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that risk. My dad and I
cofounded the company. That

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is him. He's about to run

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me out. My dad was an
environmental lawyer here in
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years I had gone to law school.
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just graduated. I started
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in town. He gave me

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bigger perspective. About
putting deals together. I talked
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and dad and I said why don't we
take his expertise as an
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attorney and set a realistic
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This was in 1995. Minnesota had
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of the first voluntary cleanup
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the beginning of the Brownfield
era. Since then, we've

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gone on to develop 3 million
square feet, probably three and
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square feet with the product and
sell site, but the Minneapolis
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Denver, Colorado and Fargo, we
have a real love and affinity

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for these partnerships that are
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to make these complicated
developments happen. Let me walk
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the stats project today. You've
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where we were in the past.

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The fight before you now is the
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This is the site when we bought
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contract for probably almost 2
years before that. Trying to get
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around all the issues we are
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this conversation by 2013. ready
to close what we had

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here was 2 million square-foot
building on

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122 acre site it was the state
and federal

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listed site the building itself,
he took over, had five different

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tenants. The largest of which
was VA systems, the

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defense contractor and successor
to the

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northern pump that you heard
about an introduction

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when we started, it was already
complicated with the state and
federal

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Superfund status, by different
tenants, the second biggest
building in the

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state of Minnesota, and ethics
site. The site had a

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rich history. It started out
producing pumps for fire
suppression systems

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and then on December 7. 1941.
they switch to manufacturing

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guns and assembling gun for
needy cruisers

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and destroyers you will see
right here in this picture on
the

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lower right, Susan our company
meeting. This facility,

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when it was running full steam,

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had three shifts working 24
hours a day, seven days a week
with

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3500 people. You can see some of
the manufacturing lines here,
you

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can see some of the guns being
assembled here. And then down
here, is one

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of the battle of

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words, you can see the EF there
and the V for victory on either

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side. This site received seven
battle awards,

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which is the Navy's premier
award for efficiency and
excellence the

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top plants in the country.

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My take on this Superfund site
with this

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big building, these five
tenants, it is because it's

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an infill site. You can see here

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694 is, this is within the inner
ring. It was the largest
available

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piece of ground with an inner
ring. It had 122 acres. The

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location drove all of this. It
had an

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outstanding location.

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That came with a very complex
environmental regulatory
situation.

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It was not without the strong
partnership from the city, the
housing

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redevelopment Authority and city
staff along with

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EPA and date control agency that
we got. Here we are

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day one looking at this site.
There

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were only two spots available
for vacant land, the rest soon
by this

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2 million foot building. Most of
that was

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tied up with parking for some of
the tenants in

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the building. That's how we
found it. And then, and have all

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these issues. The way that we
attack this was to kind of put
each

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of the issues in their own
pocket.

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The first bucket was land-use.
We had

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to get the appropriate setting
to allow for modern industrial
parks,

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which would incorporate a number
of different uses the

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threshold there was a
requirement for either an
environmental

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impact statement, for
alternative urban areawide
review.

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We did not want to spend a year
figures demonstrating how

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much better we would make this
polluted Superfund site. We

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wanted to get to doing the work.
The city attorney was

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quite firm, she was right. She
wanted us to use

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certain statutory hurdles just
because of

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the size of the project, we had
to do something but we came up
with

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was the alternative urban
areawide review, as I call it,
sit Diet

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Coke version, it saved us some
money, probably three months

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worth the time.

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That process looked at all of
the environmental impact and how
the

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redevelopment would improve
those the next thing we

403
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had to do was amend the
comprehensive plan. This is the
long-term planning

404
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document that cities have 20 and
30

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years out. No one had ever
imagined that the site could be
redeveloped.

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The comprehensive plan never
contemplated the redevelopment
of the project.

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We had to go amend the
comprehensive plan

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in order to resume the site to
something that was consistent
with

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the amended claim. All of this
took a year. Once the plan was
amended,

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we had to dig into the actual
rezoning the existing heavy

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industrial zoning about all
sorts of heavy manufacturing
that the

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city was keen to eliminate. They
wanted to create

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a more modern and greener and
environmentally friendly

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park. We were fine. In exchange,
we wanted

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some flexibility on we foresaw
that our

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park could accommodate a wide
variety of uses. It may require
us to go

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back to the city and keep asking
for special use,

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conditional use the brewery was
a great example of

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bonuses. We came up with this
very creative solution, the city
did,

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for essentially the planned unit

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development. The simplest way to
say it was this gave us our
custom

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zoning that covered everything
from buildings

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and dimensions, to parking
requirements, team uses. That
was a key

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to facilitating speeding the
lease up and development of

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the site. Suffice to say, we
also had significant

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environmental issues. The site
was listed on NPL.

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Which is EPA's national party
list, was also

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listed on the state counterpart,
the PLP. There has been a

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long enforcement work in
history, I

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think the length of this site,
in the

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Superfund program, one time it
was scored the highest ranking
Superfund

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site. At one time.

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There was a complicated
relationship between the Navy

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and EPA. There had been cleanup
that had

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been done. There was a
regulatory framework and a
consent decree that

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it sort of manage the
relationship in cleanup
activities. And then

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we were going to come in and
screw the, by turning it upside
down and

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wanting to go a lot faster. And
wanting to run all

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of this through the state
volunteer investigation and
cleanup program.

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So that we had no delays in
doing cleanup. And developing

441
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our buildings. And most
importantly, we were able to

442
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get the liability protection
from the state voluntary program
that

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could give the tenant and bang
and investors comfort. That was

444
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super important. To be able to
ship this paradigm from sort

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of the consent decree
enforcement into a

446
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voluntary cleanup market-based
model. Driven by the

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real estate development timeline
I can give

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enough credit to the EPA. Region
five, for

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saying I remember the meeting,
we were sitting in

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Chicago. You have a robust and
experienced voluntary program,

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we've still got connections to

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the needy. We are going to let
the state run this cleanup and
redevelopment

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piece that could not have been a
more important step for us to

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get started. It really gave us
the green light to start the

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redevelopment project

456
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>> [Indiscernible]

457
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>> Hello, Tom. The other thing
that happened

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that we cash that was super
important and is part of that,
we were able

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to create a really neat trusting
between the Navy

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and the EPA, PCA, and the
tenants in

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the building, all of them have

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these residual environmental
issues that had not been
addressed in the

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original cleanup. You heard
those referenced in

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the introduction. They had the
former plating shop, believed

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to be a source you're going to
tear down

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that part of the building which
gave the Navy a chance to clean

467
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that up.

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As part of the existing building
we were going to tear down. Gave

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them a chance to clean that up.

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What we were able to create is
this urgent redevelopment
timeline, an

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opportunity for the Navy to go
in and address some source area
removal,

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something that EPA and PCA had
been looking for a number of

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years. They did it pass, they
did it effectively, and for a
lot less

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money than they had been
carrying their

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00:29:14.000 --> 00:29:23.000
worst fears.

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This ultimately led to different
optical units of the site,

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starting 2015. even into the
last year or

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so. Nevertheless, the
groundwater extraction models
which

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extract groundwater heading
toward the river, they continue

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to run.

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Including this year, they're
putting in new wells and a new
treatment

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building that incorporate. Next
into the design of the park.

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The next -- after you deal with
the land-use and environmental
issues,

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we had to [Indiscernible]. Which
was

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no small feat.

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And [Indiscernible]

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>> Even with the debt equity,
there

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was not enough money to pay for
the project. Specifically

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the extraordinary costs. The
public

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00:31:07.000 --> 00:31:21.000
financing was the other piece of
the puzzle.

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00:31:21.000 --> 00:31:29.000
We obtained grants for the clean
oversight. From the state and
the

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regional group. We also secured
[Indiscernible] financing

493
00:31:34.000 --> 00:31:37.934
from the city. We got

494
00:31:37.934 --> 00:31:43.934
some additional grants to cover
the infrastructure. Which is
storm

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00:31:43.934 --> 00:31:48.934
water pipes, new roads, new
traffic lights. We had a third

496
00:31:48.934 --> 00:31:54.934
grade, which is what I call the
startup money. It is to fund the

497
00:31:54.934 --> 00:32:00.934
environmental investigation when
we first started

498
00:32:00.934 --> 00:32:04.934
the project. We knew there had
been cleanup done. We cannot
access the

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00:32:04.934 --> 00:32:08.934
grants until we had done updated
investigation. We needed

500
00:32:08.934 --> 00:32:14.934
to know what was out there, how
much there was of it. And so,
the

501
00:32:14.934 --> 00:32:19.934
city worked very, very clever
solution

502
00:32:19.934 --> 00:32:25.934
to give the city grant.

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00:32:25.934 --> 00:32:30.934
$1 million

504
00:32:30.934 --> 00:32:34.000
total. We were able to go
through phase I, phase II, and
the response

505
00:32:34.000 --> 00:32:42.934
plan that qualified us to go get
the grant to finish

506
00:32:42.934 --> 00:32:45.934
the work.

507
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Financing, both for the
acquisition of a site for

508
00:32:51.934 --> 00:32:55.934
the ones that built the
building, you have to look at
what we were

509
00:32:55.934 --> 00:33:01.934
able to do here, something very
clever. We bought the site for
$13

510
00:33:01.934 --> 00:33:08.934
million. Roughly, in July 2013.
We had roughly $4 million

511
00:33:08.934 --> 00:33:14.934
in equity in a $9 million loan
to buy

512
00:33:14.934 --> 00:33:15.934
the site.

513
00:33:15.934 --> 00:33:20.934
The 2 million square-foot
building stayed up for a year

514
00:33:20.934 --> 00:33:24.934
or two. We used the rent we were
getting from those tenants to
pay

515
00:33:24.934 --> 00:33:34.000
the loan down. It helped us
acquire the site. We were then
able to secure

516
00:33:34.000 --> 00:33:37.000
construction loan that was used
to pay for the building of the
buildings

517
00:33:37.000 --> 00:33:42.934
themselves as well as soft costs
associated

518
00:33:42.934 --> 00:33:45.934
with that. A super important
part of this is that we built
the buildings

519
00:33:45.934 --> 00:33:51.934
speculatively. Meaning, we built
them without a tenant. That's a

520
00:33:51.934 --> 00:33:55.934
risky thing to do. He would say,
why would you

521
00:33:55.934 --> 00:33:59.934
do that kind of crazy risky
development, the

522
00:33:59.934 --> 00:34:03.934
answer is in the industrial, the
tenants do not leave themselves

523
00:34:03.934 --> 00:34:09.934
enough time these days. They
used to happen

524
00:34:09.934 --> 00:34:15.934
cash they used to have a year to
find a

525
00:34:15.934 --> 00:34:18.934
building, another review 9 to 16
weeks. You need to have that
building

526
00:34:18.934 --> 00:34:26.934
and completed, the only final
piece of that is building the
particular

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00:34:26.934 --> 00:34:30.934
space without the speculative
holding, you will never

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00:34:30.934 --> 00:34:36.000
land the tenant, you will just
not have enough time. We had to
convince

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the bank that we were able to do
this cleanup, to get a clean, to

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00:34:44.000 --> 00:34:50.000
build spec building and. That
was a leap

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00:34:50.000 --> 00:34:53.000
of faith. I do think that we
have done

532
00:34:53.000 --> 00:34:56.000
several of these deals with was
able to take with us. You were
able

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00:34:56.000 --> 00:35:02.000
to document the assurances that
we would receive from the

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00:35:02.000 --> 00:35:05.000
state program. We could show
them the investigation work that
we had

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00:35:05.000 --> 00:35:08.000
done. We could show them we had
a cleanup plan approved. We
could

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00:35:08.000 --> 00:35:14.000
show them we have the grant and
tip money to execute

537
00:35:14.000 --> 00:35:18.000
the cleanup plan and build
infrastructure. What they

538
00:35:18.000 --> 00:35:24.000
do is execute, everything else
was done to set

539
00:35:24.000 --> 00:35:30.000
the table.

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On the public financing side, we
hinted at this. We needed a

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total of $12 million in
pollution cleanup costs funded

542
00:35:40.000 --> 00:35:52.000
by grants, plus $20 million in
infrastructure costs

543
00:35:52.000 --> 00:35:56.000
new roads, new traffic
interchanges

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00:35:56.000 --> 00:36:02.000
controls. There was not enough
grant funding for the entire
project

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00:36:02.000 --> 00:36:12.000
at once. The state of Minnesota,
it has two

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00:36:12.000 --> 00:36:17.000
application cycles, May and
October.

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You would need to figure grant
application and. We figured the

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00:36:23.000 --> 00:36:28.000
only way to do that was to carve
this into four pieces of pizza
if

549
00:36:28.000 --> 00:36:33.067
you will. We attacked each site
at each

550
00:36:33.067 --> 00:36:37.067
grant cycle rather than trying
to do the whole thing at once.
There

551
00:36:37.067 --> 00:36:41.000
was certainly Chris there as
well, we were

552
00:36:41.000 --> 00:36:46.000
only getting through and
cleaning up and knowing what we
were facing.

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On a face-to-face basis. Lastly,
the

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critical piece of the city
provided with the start up

555
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grants that help on our phase I,
phase II investigation

556
00:36:59.000 --> 00:37:05.000
and our response action plan.

557
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The city then another partner

558
00:37:13.000 --> 00:37:17.000
tax five. The city grants for
the phase I, phase II reference,
they

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00:37:17.000 --> 00:37:23.000
were funded by hazardous grant.
Grants for

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the subdistrict financing.

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But that essentially means is
that is taking the existing
taxes are

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00:37:32.067 --> 00:37:38.000
today with the existing
building. It uses those

563
00:37:38.000 --> 00:37:42.000
taxes to fund our grant. The
city would give us

564
00:37:42.000 --> 00:37:47.000
the grant money, we would spend
it doing testing, that would

565
00:37:47.000 --> 00:37:55.000
be reimbursed by the property
taxes that we were paying and
the existing

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00:37:55.000 --> 00:38:01.000
property tax. And then, we were
also able

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00:38:01.000 --> 00:38:03.000
to get the deed and counsel
grant for pollution

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cleanup on the phased approach
that I just described. On the

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next slide, I think it's a
$500.000 infrastructure grant.

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In some redevelopment grant.

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Quite simply, that is looking at
what

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the building was worse today, or
the polluted plan today, and
then

573
00:38:30.000 --> 00:38:34.067
a year and half from now, done
cleanup, it is worth more.

574
00:38:34.067 --> 00:38:38.000
We have added a new building,
it's worth more. You will get
assessed

575
00:38:38.000 --> 00:38:45.000
at a higher value and create a
higher revenue stream on the
property

576
00:38:45.000 --> 00:38:56.000
tax fees here's a quick look at
the

577
00:38:56.000 --> 00:39:02.000
overall budget. As you can see,
the

578
00:39:02.000 --> 00:39:05.000
big project. 1.8 million
[Indiscernible].

579
00:39:05.000 --> 00:39:10.000
The different costs come down
and dividing

580
00:39:10.000 --> 00:39:16.000
to building [Indiscernible] feet
of buildings. This

581
00:39:16.000 --> 00:39:19.000
is payment.

582
00:39:19.000 --> 00:39:25.000
Infrastructure ponds, pipe, etc.
Development costs

583
00:39:25.000 --> 00:39:31.000
are primarily building a tenant
basis and

584
00:39:31.000 --> 00:39:37.067
brokerage fees, costs, legal
costs. There's environmental

585
00:39:37.067 --> 00:39:43.000
cleanup at $14.7 million. We had
a very innovative illusion on
the

586
00:39:43.000 --> 00:39:49.000
demolition. We tore down two
thirds of the

587
00:39:49.000 --> 00:39:51.000
existing building.

588
00:39:51.000 --> 00:39:54.000
They wanted to make room for
future buildings. Plan to tear
the whole

589
00:39:54.000 --> 00:40:00.000
thing down. They said you know,
we

590
00:40:00.000 --> 00:40:03.000
want day in a piece of this
building, it's too expensive to

591
00:40:03.000 --> 00:40:08.000
replace. We like to stay in this
building on the north side.

592
00:40:08.000 --> 00:40:14.000
We said great, fine. We signed a
lease

593
00:40:14.000 --> 00:40:18.000
with them. This is a six or $7

594
00:40:18.000 --> 00:40:24.000
million number. The
environmental engineer

595
00:40:24.000 --> 00:40:27.000
was marvelous.

596
00:40:27.000 --> 00:40:32.067
It incorporated the scrap value
of all the copper and steel

597
00:40:32.067 --> 00:40:38.000
buildings. Which dramatically
offset the cost of the
demolition work

598
00:40:38.000 --> 00:40:43.000
and took from a six or $7
million number down to five
dollars. Then

599
00:40:43.000 --> 00:40:46.000
we had the money that we had to
pay to relocate

600
00:40:46.000 --> 00:40:51.000
some of the tenants of the
building had only pay for this?
This is a

601
00:40:51.000 --> 00:40:57.000
great look at a stack of
different capital used on these

602
00:40:57.000 --> 00:41:01.000
polluted sites. We had a $.7
million in

603
00:41:01.000 --> 00:41:07.000
grant deed and counsel, that was
5% of the budget. We

604
00:41:07.000 --> 00:41:11.000
had these HRA grants for
investigation

605
00:41:11.000 --> 00:41:16.000
and for environmental cleanup.
We had the [Indiscernible] for
the

606
00:41:16.000 --> 00:41:22.000
city, $22 million and ended up
being only about

607
00:41:22.000 --> 00:41:24.000
17 million.

608
00:41:24.000 --> 00:41:28.000
There is equity in paying for
the land, we borrowed the money
to build

609
00:41:28.000 --> 00:41:32.000
buildings from the bank. We put
in another $2 million to help
cover

610
00:41:32.000 --> 00:41:37.934
some other costs. Long story
short,

611
00:41:37.934 --> 00:41:45.934
78% of the cost is from our
equity and our

612
00:41:45.934 --> 00:41:49.934
construction loan. These
different sources of funds

613
00:41:49.934 --> 00:41:55.934
that are available to help these
redevelopment

614
00:41:55.934 --> 00:41:58.934
is happening.

615
00:41:58.934 --> 00:42:02.934
The cost to build this would've
been higher than any,

616
00:42:02.934 --> 00:42:05.934
the competing sites are
[Indiscernible]. We would have

617
00:42:05.934 --> 00:42:13.934
been much more expensive. We
would've never had any

618
00:42:13.934 --> 00:42:19.934
leasing. Kudos to these kinds of
programs that make this
redevelopment

619
00:42:19.934 --> 00:42:23.934
possible. When you look at VAT,
this is really kind

620
00:42:23.934 --> 00:42:33.000
of a fun story. This is the map
showing occupying portions of

621
00:42:33.000 --> 00:42:37.000
the 2 million square-foot
building audit. What

622
00:42:37.000 --> 00:42:40.934
you'll see here in green,
yellow, and red spot they were
occupying.

623
00:42:40.934 --> 00:42:49.934
You're going to do is cut right
through here. This was the

624
00:42:49.934 --> 00:42:52.934
cut line.

625
00:42:52.934 --> 00:42:58.934
Everything appears state. All
this stuff went in

626
00:42:58.934 --> 00:43:02.934
the dumpster. Right down here,
that is the boiler

627
00:43:02.934 --> 00:43:05.934
room. Which we retained because
he thought the smokestacks were

628
00:43:05.934 --> 00:43:11.934
cool. It turned out to be
something even better later.

629
00:43:11.934 --> 00:43:19.934
It cuts through this building,
they occupy, you can

630
00:43:19.934 --> 00:43:25.934
imagine engineers they are
precise people. They did not
like

631
00:43:25.934 --> 00:43:29.934
the rattling. We have to
transfer all of the power, all
the data that

632
00:43:29.934 --> 00:43:36.000
was done here. We had to take
one existing

633
00:43:36.000 --> 00:43:40.934
boiler out there.

634
00:43:40.934 --> 00:43:44.934
This is all sorts of work to
adaptively resist building make
it possible

635
00:43:44.934 --> 00:43:49.934
for them to

636
00:43:49.934 --> 00:43:53.934
stay. Because we bought the
building, they had a lease the
lease gave

637
00:43:53.934 --> 00:43:58.934
him an option to renew.

638
00:43:58.934 --> 00:44:01.934
If they were needed, it would
have to be in the same 1.2
million square-foot

639
00:44:01.934 --> 00:44:05.934
green and yellow shaded area. We
didn't need all

640
00:44:05.934 --> 00:44:10.934
that space. They were eager to
stay, but shrink footprint. I
can prevent

641
00:44:10.934 --> 00:44:16.934
them from staying in shrinking
their footprint. We arrived at a
solution,

642
00:44:16.934 --> 00:44:24.934
which was the redevelopment of
this building.

643
00:44:24.934 --> 00:44:30.934
Tearing this down and make room
for

644
00:44:30.934 --> 00:44:37.067
future buildings. I tore

645
00:44:37.067 --> 00:44:44.000
that down. That is how we were
able to get the additional

646
00:44:44.000 --> 00:44:47.000
cleanup time.

647
00:44:47.000 --> 00:44:53.000
There were 700

648
00:44:53.000 --> 00:44:59.000
jobs in Minnesota, without any
sort of job in

649
00:44:59.000 --> 00:45:07.000
the state. How's the magnificent
vessel.

650
00:45:07.000 --> 00:45:10.000
Then we had to find releases for
all the other buildings we are
going

651
00:45:10.000 --> 00:45:16.000
to build. We had to overcome a
lot of

652
00:45:16.000 --> 00:45:17.000
negative stereotyping.

653
00:45:17.000 --> 00:45:21.000
There were negative perceptions
of the Superfund site, negative

654
00:45:21.000 --> 00:45:27.000
perceptions that once operating

655
00:45:27.000 --> 00:45:31.000
for 365 days a year, they were
down to

656
00:45:31.000 --> 00:45:34.067
500 people because they moved a
bunch of the manufacturing out
of

657
00:45:34.067 --> 00:45:38.000
the when we bought the fight. We
had thought of this dark cloud
over

658
00:45:38.000 --> 00:45:44.000
the Superfund site and a site
that seemed to sleep in

659
00:45:44.000 --> 00:45:49.000
a band. We had to create an
appealing identity. That would
get

660
00:45:49.000 --> 00:45:52.000
people to want to come there and
locate their business there. On

661
00:45:52.000 --> 00:45:58.000
top of that, buildings buildings

662
00:45:58.000 --> 00:46:05.000
guilty plea.

663
00:46:05.000 --> 00:46:09.000
On top of all, we were

664
00:46:09.000 --> 00:46:14.000
tearing down, as we were trying
to get our first new building
built

665
00:46:14.000 --> 00:46:20.000
and leased, there was a lot of
noise, huge piles of steel

666
00:46:20.000 --> 00:46:28.000
and concrete, it was hard to get
buildings least. How do we
address?

667
00:46:28.000 --> 00:46:32.067
We decided to do something which
does not sound

668
00:46:32.067 --> 00:46:35.067
radical but it was at the time.

669
00:46:35.067 --> 00:46:41.000
We did not paint the building's
brown. A lot of buildings in
Minnesota,

670
00:46:41.000 --> 00:46:46.000
many industrial buildings are
painted brown with the bold,

671
00:46:46.000 --> 00:46:52.000
modern design. It had a lot of
laughs, not orange, gray,
perforated metal

672
00:46:52.000 --> 00:46:56.000
panels that lit up at night. It
would accommodate a

673
00:46:56.000 --> 00:47:02.000
wide variety of users. We had
enough

674
00:47:02.000 --> 00:47:07.000
trailer storage and parking as
well as car parking to attract

675
00:47:07.000 --> 00:47:11.000
distribution uses and
manufacturing users. We had a
variety

676
00:47:11.000 --> 00:47:17.000
of ceiling height which would
allow different uses. The floors
were

677
00:47:17.000 --> 00:47:20.000
Superfund, which is critical for
this new laserguided technology

678
00:47:20.000 --> 00:47:25.000
that is running most of these
warehouses today. We had

679
00:47:25.000 --> 00:47:33.067
[Indiscernible], which was to
the norm in terms of the latest

680
00:47:33.067 --> 00:47:39.000
distribution centers.

681
00:47:39.000 --> 00:47:46.000
We did a lot of marketing to
connect the location

682
00:47:46.000 --> 00:47:52.000
to that neighborhood is a hip,
fun place that is growing and
thriving.

683
00:47:52.000 --> 00:47:56.000
As I got them done, we kept
building on

684
00:47:56.000 --> 00:48:07.000
the momentum. They were super
hard to get.

685
00:48:07.000 --> 00:48:13.000
Once we saw that second building
go up, and the demotion would

686
00:48:13.000 --> 00:48:16.000
slow down, the piles of concrete
work on, people got

687
00:48:16.000 --> 00:48:26.000
it. They got the new product on
the site.

688
00:48:26.000 --> 00:48:29.000
We have 10 buildings on the
site.

689
00:48:29.000 --> 00:48:38.000
The biggest of which is the
technology center. This is
really

690
00:48:38.000 --> 00:48:43.000
an adaptive reuse. We

691
00:48:43.000 --> 00:48:54.000
also got -- we constructed seven
new buildings.

692
00:48:54.000 --> 00:49:01.000
These warehouse buildings had
much higher office finishes

693
00:49:01.000 --> 00:49:07.000
and then, two years ago, we
bought an existing building
across the

694
00:49:07.000 --> 00:49:11.000
street, we renovated. We
renovated that

695
00:49:11.000 --> 00:49:17.000
to be part of the northern part,
first by look and much needed

696
00:49:17.000 --> 00:49:23.000
improvement. Finally, we will
discuss this in a minute, able

697
00:49:23.000 --> 00:49:29.000
to turn this into.

698
00:49:29.000 --> 00:49:35.067
This site is one of my
favorites. But this is showing

699
00:49:35.067 --> 00:49:40.000
you is the tenant migration. All
of these northern

700
00:49:40.000 --> 00:49:45.000
stacks. You're seeing all of
these tenant, they were all
about

701
00:49:45.000 --> 00:49:51.000
to head appear. This is where
all of the stuff was. Brooklyn

702
00:49:51.000 --> 00:49:59.000
Park, Rogers, they all stop at
the site. They are leaving

703
00:49:59.000 --> 00:50:04.000
existing sites. They are
functionally obsolete. They're
headed out here.

704
00:50:04.000 --> 00:50:08.000
And we deliver the solution much
closer, it was better for their

705
00:50:08.000 --> 00:50:11.000
employees, better for their
customers.

706
00:50:11.000 --> 00:50:17.000
We had very strong success. We
finish this and

707
00:50:17.000 --> 00:50:22.000
five and half years. He
projected it would be a 10 year

708
00:50:22.000 --> 00:50:27.000
project. Here is a look at the
park today. I like this side,
which is

709
00:50:27.000 --> 00:50:33.067
the diversity of tenant they

710
00:50:33.067 --> 00:50:35.067
created.

711
00:50:35.067 --> 00:50:40.000
We've got a medical R&D facility
that is just

712
00:50:40.000 --> 00:50:46.000
opened here. We've got
automotive parts, we've got P,
which her

713
00:50:46.000 --> 00:50:51.000
son shows, that sort of thing.
With

714
00:50:51.000 --> 00:50:57.000
the paper distributor here, a
hydraulic fracture, a testing
firm.

715
00:50:57.000 --> 00:51:03.000
With a wide variety of uses it
will provide a much more

716
00:51:03.000 --> 00:51:06.000
stable economic base. We are
even seeing

717
00:51:06.000 --> 00:51:11.000
that in the last two months.
This is much more

718
00:51:11.000 --> 00:51:16.000
stable place. It is tough on the
communities you

719
00:51:16.000 --> 00:51:21.000
have a company that occupies a
large building in Italy. There
are a ton

720
00:51:21.000 --> 00:51:25.000
of jobs that leave in the
property taxes greater will
never happen

721
00:51:25.000 --> 00:51:30.000
here because you have so many
diverse parts of the park.

722
00:51:30.000 --> 00:51:38.934
The building we bought, 1980s
building.

723
00:51:38.934 --> 00:51:44.934
Is an area looking toward
downtown Minneapolis.

724
00:51:44.934 --> 00:51:50.934
Mississippi River. Here the
stack. This used to be the
southern

725
00:51:50.934 --> 00:51:58.934
parking lot. Here is the boiler
room. All

726
00:51:58.934 --> 00:52:02.934
this used to be part of the and
half square-foot building we
tore

727
00:52:02.934 --> 00:52:08.934
down. Here's the adapted reuse.
Stack

728
00:52:08.934 --> 00:52:14.934
eight is right over here.

729
00:52:14.934 --> 00:52:20.934
We bought this year and half
ago. The 200.000 foot office

730
00:52:20.934 --> 00:52:24.934
warehouse building. We have now
spent $13 million on this. It
had

731
00:52:24.934 --> 00:52:30.934
a cleanup. Ironically a bunch of
stuff related to the old

732
00:52:30.934 --> 00:52:37.000
FMC site. It has sort of never
been as [Indiscernible] is

733
00:52:37.000 --> 00:52:39.934
what was going on in the South.

734
00:52:39.934 --> 00:52:45.934
We found a lot of the same
issues there. Also, some new
issues

735
00:52:45.934 --> 00:52:53.934
that come about from the
facility having been printer. We
just finished

736
00:52:53.934 --> 00:52:57.934
cleanup there. We are going to
sign the last lease this week to
turn

737
00:52:57.934 --> 00:53:03.067
to 100% occupancy.

738
00:53:03.067 --> 00:53:16.734
>> Ladies and gentlemen, this is
Jane, I just wanted

739
00:53:16.734 --> 00:53:24.567
to confirm, Paul, you may have

740
00:53:24.567 --> 00:53:36.934
accidentally needed yourself,
are you there on

741
00:53:36.934 --> 00:53:39.934
the line?

742
00:53:39.934 --> 00:53:43.934
>> Yes, sorry about that. I was
just saying that if you're
looking

743
00:53:43.934 --> 00:53:46.934
at the stacks, right here, these
are

744
00:53:46.934 --> 00:53:52.934
the stacks that have the award
painted on them. We kept those
because it

745
00:53:52.934 --> 00:53:56.934
was such a part of the brand.
Finally looked in the

746
00:53:56.934 --> 00:53:59.934
space, you can feel the left
hand side, here are the old
boilers.

747
00:53:59.934 --> 00:54:04.934
Once we clean the boilers out,
it had a lot of glass and

748
00:54:04.934 --> 00:54:10.934
natural light. Once we peel off
all these windows, we are

749
00:54:10.934 --> 00:54:13.934
covered by wrinkly metal
paneling.

750
00:54:13.934 --> 00:54:17.934
You pull this off, good grief,
but there is no openings.

751
00:54:17.934 --> 00:54:23.934
It was just a beautiful, bright
open space. We were

752
00:54:23.934 --> 00:54:27.934
able to land forgotten start.
The story there

753
00:54:27.934 --> 00:54:33.000
is that when they painted the
battle E up on the stacks,

754
00:54:33.000 --> 00:54:35.000
they forgot one of the seven
stars.

755
00:54:35.000 --> 00:54:40.000
When we were renovating it, our
friends reminded us that there
was

756
00:54:40.000 --> 00:54:46.000
a star missing. We painted it
back on. They just love

757
00:54:46.000 --> 00:54:48.000
the name of that for the
brewery.

758
00:54:48.000 --> 00:54:53.000
Here's a look at forgotten
start.

759
00:54:53.000 --> 00:54:59.000
This goes into a larger issue.

760
00:54:59.000 --> 00:55:02.000
These industrial parks these
days, it's about being

761
00:55:02.000 --> 00:55:04.000
a nice place to work but it's
also about creating community.
Our focus

762
00:55:04.000 --> 00:55:08.000
is on the people working there,
they have a variety of things
that

763
00:55:08.000 --> 00:55:16.000
make them want to be there. We
have worked hard at creating
different

764
00:55:16.000 --> 00:55:19.000
things that make it a place
people would like to work. With

765
00:55:19.000 --> 00:55:21.000
the truck bodies every Friday.
You can see on the lower left
there's

766
00:55:21.000 --> 00:55:24.000
a three mile trail system that
whines.

767
00:55:24.000 --> 00:55:29.000
The trauma. We actually have
one. The

768
00:55:29.000 --> 00:55:32.067
guys that I love walking during
lunch, that's when I do my best

769
00:55:32.067 --> 00:55:38.000
thinking. I'm coming here
because there are

770
00:55:38.000 --> 00:55:54.000
walking trails.

771
00:55:54.000 --> 00:55:59.000
>> And we had a cafe on site,
which provides breakfast and
lunch, that's

772
00:55:59.000 --> 00:56:05.000
a huge amenity for the part to
to get food on site. What are
the

773
00:56:05.000 --> 00:56:10.000
results? About 1 million square
feet completed

774
00:56:10.000 --> 00:56:14.000
to date. 1400 jobs on site now.

775
00:56:14.000 --> 00:56:18.000
Hundred million dollars in new
tech is created

776
00:56:18.000 --> 00:56:23.000
with death. Benefits abound from
this redevelopment. The project

777
00:56:23.000 --> 00:56:29.000
has been recognized on the cover
of the national magazine and
various

778
00:56:29.000 --> 00:56:32.067
local boards.

779
00:56:32.067 --> 00:56:38.000
And then, just three wives,
another Superfund site

780
00:56:38.000 --> 00:56:43.000
that we have done, we did unless
site in St. Louis

781
00:56:43.000 --> 00:56:48.000
Park Minnesota, national lead.
In 2008. you can

782
00:56:48.000 --> 00:56:53.000
see this year. We actually had
to have the guys in suits with
the

783
00:56:53.000 --> 00:56:58.000
respirators and blood tests and
everything, it was so hot there.

784
00:56:58.000 --> 00:57:06.000
We remediated that 80.000
showroom on the Highway

785
00:57:06.000 --> 00:57:12.000
seven business. We also did a
similar building for

786
00:57:12.000 --> 00:57:18.000
an industrial park and an old
which would

787
00:57:18.000 --> 00:57:21.000
incite they had done there. It
was still additional cleanup
that

788
00:57:21.000 --> 00:57:27.000
needed to take place we did that
work

789
00:57:27.000 --> 00:57:36.067
and created an industrial back
750 jobs

790
00:57:36.067 --> 00:57:48.000
agricultural can sign, there was

791
00:57:48.000 --> 00:57:54.000
a high all

792
00:57:54.000 --> 00:58:03.000
simply there to show you the
60.000 foot

793
00:58:03.000 --> 00:58:11.000
a little easier. Lesson learned.
As

794
00:58:11.000 --> 00:58:17.000
I said at the beginning we are
trying to

795
00:58:17.000 --> 00:58:23.000
create environment less risky
real estate

796
00:58:23.000 --> 00:58:31.000
migration options. Clients are
just as.

797
00:58:31.000 --> 00:58:36.067
The big because you think the
problems on a bigger project is
so crucial

798
00:58:36.067 --> 00:58:42.000
to having committed, creative,
persistent team that

799
00:58:42.000 --> 00:58:45.000
is focused.

800
00:58:45.000 --> 00:58:51.000
The city,, P, the

801
00:58:51.000 --> 00:58:57.000
fund contractors first, to do
this

802
00:58:57.000 --> 00:59:03.000
with those process I

803
00:59:03.000 --> 00:59:12.000
think care that all the
stakeholders comes out.

804
00:59:12.000 --> 00:59:21.000
That is and presentation.

805
00:59:21.000 --> 00:59:29.000
>>. I believe that we know Tom
from EPA region five

806
00:59:29.000 --> 00:59:38.000
business line. Tom, if you have
been able to, feel free to

807
00:59:38.000 --> 00:59:41.000
come off.

808
00:59:41.000 --> 00:59:50.000
I know Tom was with us if you

809
00:59:50.000 --> 00:59:53.000
Tom, you're skinny?

810
00:59:53.000 --> 00:59:54.000
We can.

811
00:59:54.000 --> 00:59:55.000
Hello

812
00:59:55.000 --> 01:00:04.000
>> What a technical difficulty
I've been having

813
01:00:04.000 --> 01:00:07.000
now you can.

814
01:00:07.000 --> 01:00:10.000
>>. Sorry to make you. I want to
thank Paul for

815
01:00:10.000 --> 01:00:16.000
the fantastic presentation. It
is interesting to hear about the
process

816
01:00:16.000 --> 01:00:22.000
used for developing the site.
It's

817
01:00:22.000 --> 01:00:23.000
so hard.

818
01:00:23.000 --> 01:00:32.067
Showcasing these studies is
important redevelopment mission

819
01:00:32.067 --> 01:00:36.067
this is an impactful way to
promote safe and beneficial
reuse

820
01:00:36.067 --> 01:00:40.000
I would like to wrap up our time
today providing

821
01:00:40.000 --> 01:00:46.000
additional resources and using
the remaining

822
01:00:46.000 --> 01:00:51.000
additional questions? X yes, I

823
01:00:51.000 --> 01:00:58.000
can. Here's a list of tools that
we use we encourage you to look

824
01:00:58.000 --> 01:01:06.000
to close on site. Find them
resources panel.

825
01:01:06.000 --> 01:01:10.000
One of the things that is what
is use of the program, which
really

826
01:01:10.000 --> 01:01:16.000
came in handy for identifying
residual contamination

827
01:01:16.000 --> 01:01:22.000
and quickly. That was another
thing we used this really helped
out to

828
01:01:22.000 --> 01:01:31.000
get things

829
01:01:31.000 --> 01:01:36.000
going. Okay. This leads us to
the first payment is for the

830
01:01:36.000 --> 01:01:38.934
final task Superfund.

831
01:01:38.934 --> 01:01:43.934
It outlines the accomplishments
of the super task force. This
was

832
01:01:43.934 --> 01:01:51.934
together earlier last year. We
have five

833
01:01:51.934 --> 01:01:55.934
tried to expedite cleanup and
get back into the spirit we did
pretty

834
01:01:55.934 --> 01:02:05.934
good with 45 five.

835
01:02:05.934 --> 01:02:11.934
Region to region site civic, the
people

836
01:02:11.934 --> 01:02:20.934
and to top two together

837
01:02:20.934 --> 01:02:21.934
about region.

838
01:02:21.934 --> 01:02:30.934
There. Indicated to
redevelopment and reuse.

839
01:02:30.934 --> 01:02:38.934
You have any questions please
don't hesitate

840
01:02:38.934 --> 01:02:44.934
to contact the project manager.

841
01:02:44.934 --> 01:02:49.934
Take to the questions over the
questions

842
01:02:49.934 --> 01:02:56.934
switch the screen to a survey to
respond

843
01:02:56.934 --> 01:03:02.934
to the questions. The question
were given come up

844
01:03:02.934 --> 01:03:11.934
with answers you much. Thank

845
01:03:11.934 --> 01:03:19.934
you, Tom. This is Again, that
was truly great.

846
01:03:19.934 --> 01:03:28.934
So much useful to apply to the
art

847
01:03:28.934 --> 01:03:33.000
and them, to your pumpkin
chucking contest. It sounds like

848
01:03:33.000 --> 01:03:41.934
so much that they hazing. We
will be down.,

849
01:03:41.934 --> 01:03:45.934
Thank you. Looking at the

850
01:03:45.934 --> 01:03:51.934
survey questions, I'm going to
going through some of the
question that

851
01:03:51.934 --> 01:03:55.934
has come in on the side, if you
have

852
01:03:55.934 --> 01:04:01.934
not submitted a question or if
you want to, go ahead and do

853
01:04:01.934 --> 01:04:09.934
that now. And, just to let you
sister the survey is really

854
01:04:09.934 --> 01:04:15.934
valuable EPA and for the
Superfund initiative they're
going

855
01:04:15.934 --> 01:04:21.934
to use that information to the

856
01:04:21.934 --> 01:04:26.934
information, tools, provided in
the government

857
01:04:26.934 --> 01:04:30.934
and developers. They can advance
myself.

858
01:04:30.934 --> 01:04:36.000
All you are doing that, I'm
going to go to the first

859
01:04:36.000 --> 01:04:40.000
question here. Actually, this is
one of my favorite questions,
thank

860
01:04:40.000 --> 01:04:45.000
you for asking. The question is,
at what stage

861
01:04:45.000 --> 01:04:50.000
in the Superfund process is the
best time to start having
redevelopment

862
01:04:50.000 --> 01:04:56.000
discussions. Tom, I will turn it
over

863
01:04:56.000 --> 01:04:59.000
to you.

864
01:04:59.000 --> 01:05:02.000
>> You want me to answer first?

865
01:05:02.000 --> 01:05:05.000
>> Sure, go for it.

866
01:05:05.000 --> 01:05:13.000
>> Actually, there are different
phases. There is

867
01:05:13.000 --> 01:05:19.000
not any special phase in Mexico
better or not. We have some

868
01:05:19.000 --> 01:05:23.000
sites like Aquaphor site with a
thought about it. Early in

869
01:05:23.000 --> 01:05:28.000
the cleanup every using the
site,

870
01:05:28.000 --> 01:05:33.067
Inc. recreational concerns into
the cleanup and everything like

871
01:05:33.067 --> 01:05:38.000
that. That worked out great.
There are some sites

872
01:05:38.000 --> 01:05:46.000
that have everyone has forgotten
about.

873
01:05:46.000 --> 01:05:49.000
Someone says hey, this is along
the highway, what's going on
this,

874
01:05:49.000 --> 01:05:53.000
no one does anything about it,
it's been closed out. Sometimes
those

875
01:05:53.000 --> 01:06:00.000
are the best ones to gather
information on she was

876
01:06:00.000 --> 01:06:02.000
going on.

877
01:06:02.000 --> 01:06:06.000
I don't know if there is any
certain phase that is the best
for getting

878
01:06:06.000 --> 01:06:09.000
this to happen.

879
01:06:09.000 --> 01:06:15.000
>> Great, thanks Tom. I knew
that Superfund redevelopment

880
01:06:15.000 --> 01:06:20.000
often encourages reuse and
redevelopment discussions as
early

881
01:06:20.000 --> 01:06:28.000
as possible. Once this
discussion to happen, often EPA
can take

882
01:06:28.000 --> 01:06:33.067
that information, the proposed
reuse, and factored into the
cleanup. It

883
01:06:33.067 --> 01:06:39.000
can often result in faster
cleanup. Maybe less

884
01:06:39.000 --> 01:06:48.000
expensive cleanup, maybe
building footprint. I knew that

885
01:06:48.000 --> 01:06:53.000
they often encourage the
proposed

886
01:06:53.000 --> 01:06:59.000
prospective [Indiscernible]. You
have any opinions?

887
01:06:59.000 --> 01:07:06.000
>> Yeah, our whole job this
spinning place. The first plate

888
01:07:06.000 --> 01:07:10.000
you have to spend is okay, if
you get the property

889
01:07:10.000 --> 01:07:16.000
under contract. Then he got a
see what the

890
01:07:16.000 --> 01:07:21.000
feedback is. You can put a

891
01:07:21.000 --> 01:07:25.000
plan together. While you're
trying to do that, you're trying
to understand

892
01:07:25.000 --> 01:07:28.000
the environmental. That's
usually the time. To me it's
very early

893
01:07:28.000 --> 01:07:34.067
in the process. Where you say
okay, we need to

894
01:07:34.067 --> 01:07:37.067
sit down, in our case with the
EPA, PC, and the Navy.

895
01:07:37.067 --> 01:07:40.000
His initial plan to change 20
times.

896
01:07:40.000 --> 01:07:44.000
His initial plan, is industrial,
there's

897
01:07:44.000 --> 01:07:49.000
no basement, there is no
residential, here's a draft

898
01:07:49.000 --> 01:07:52.000
schedule, what do you guys
think?

899
01:07:52.000 --> 01:07:55.000
How can we work through this?

900
01:07:55.000 --> 01:08:03.000
Took year. It took year of those
conversations. It took

901
01:08:03.000 --> 01:08:11.000
a lot of work. It was something
that we did okay but seems to

902
01:08:11.000 --> 01:08:17.000
be working. We're going to start
working

903
01:08:17.000 --> 01:08:22.000
on financing. In our

904
01:08:22.000 --> 01:08:26.000
case, really helped that we did
that early. I

905
01:08:26.000 --> 01:08:29.000
could not have seen it working
we had not done entirely.

906
01:08:29.000 --> 01:08:34.067
>> Great, thank you. Now I have
a little treat

907
01:08:34.067 --> 01:08:39.000
for you. We have an additional
two experts joining the panel to
answer

908
01:08:39.000 --> 01:08:44.000
your question. We have the
fabulous Sheila, who is joining,

909
01:08:44.000 --> 01:08:49.000
she knows the site inside and
out. She

910
01:08:49.000 --> 01:08:55.000
has been the EPA region five
remedial project manager for the

911
01:08:55.000 --> 01:09:02.000
past nine. Sheila is super
creative. She is willing to

912
01:09:02.000 --> 01:09:06.000
think outside the box. She and
Paul made a great innovative
team on

913
01:09:06.000 --> 01:09:09.000
the.

914
01:09:09.000 --> 01:09:11.000
Welcome, Sheila.

915
01:09:11.000 --> 01:09:13.000
We also have Bill joining us, an
attorney with the EPA's office
of

916
01:09:13.000 --> 01:09:14.000
site for mediation and
enforcement.

917
01:09:14.000 --> 01:09:19.000
He's liaison to the Superfund
redevelopment initiative,

918
01:09:19.000 --> 01:09:24.000
is also very creative and a
great problem solver.

919
01:09:24.000 --> 01:09:30.000
Welcome, Phil. That gets us into
the

920
01:09:30.000 --> 01:09:37.067
next question. This is a
complicated question.

921
01:09:37.067 --> 01:09:41.000
It'll be interesting to hear
what experts think. All of the
programs

922
01:09:41.000 --> 01:09:47.000
are little different. Can the
Brownfield program is to
redevelop

923
01:09:47.000 --> 01:09:52.000
and cleanup to states target
levels? We would like to

924
01:09:52.000 --> 01:09:57.000
take a shot at that?

925
01:09:57.000 --> 01:10:05.000
>> This is Tom. I have been
doing development for over

926
01:10:05.000 --> 01:10:09.000
20 years. I have also been
stationed in the Brownfield
section every

927
01:10:09.000 --> 01:10:15.000
year that I read the proposals
and help the people out with

928
01:10:15.000 --> 01:10:21.000
their mission. We have been told
that we

929
01:10:21.000 --> 01:10:26.000
cannot combine this in certain
ways. One of them, for example,

930
01:10:26.000 --> 01:10:32.067
to do investigation type stuff
with her Superfund money. Or to
do

931
01:10:32.067 --> 01:10:38.000
it with Superfund money., Yeah.
You're

932
01:10:38.000 --> 01:10:42.000
getting a grant to assess the
property.

933
01:10:42.000 --> 01:10:45.000
When people come to me and they
say hey, can we use the
redevelopment

934
01:10:45.000 --> 01:10:49.000
coordinator, can we use the
redevelopment to help go with
the cleanup

935
01:10:49.000 --> 01:10:56.000
ticket to the cleanup level and
do remedial stuff, I kind of say

936
01:10:56.000 --> 01:11:02.000
no, you've got a stay within the
specs of Superfund,

937
01:11:02.000 --> 01:11:05.000
not Brownfields.

938
01:11:05.000 --> 01:11:10.000
Cleanup can be used, it can be
used to determine

939
01:11:10.000 --> 01:11:16.000
the cleanup of or not. I just
know we've been told to try

940
01:11:16.000 --> 01:11:20.000
to combine Superfund and
Brownfield, it is

941
01:11:20.000 --> 01:11:22.000
already supposed to vocals and
assessments, I would regret
somebody money to

942
01:11:22.000 --> 01:11:26.000
poke holes into assessments when
the site Daschle are supposed to

943
01:11:26.000 --> 01:11:29.000
do that too Superfund?

944
01:11:29.000 --> 01:11:35.000
>> Thanks, Tom. Anyone else
would like to

945
01:11:35.000 --> 01:11:41.934
answer that, I will go to
another question.

946
01:11:41.934 --> 01:11:47.934
>> This is so. I agree with Tom.
In fact,

947
01:11:47.934 --> 01:11:53.934
there defined within the
Superfund, but they

948
01:11:53.934 --> 01:12:02.934
specifically exclude the sites.

949
01:12:02.934 --> 01:12:08.934
More importantly, you cannot use
these monies as

950
01:12:08.934 --> 01:12:12.934
Superfund sites. Grant monies
cannot be used

951
01:12:12.934 --> 01:12:17.934
for Superfund sites, again, as
Tom pointed out, usually there
is a

952
01:12:17.934 --> 01:12:22.934
potentially responsible party
who has cleanup that they cannot
get

953
01:12:22.934 --> 01:12:28.934
this grant monies. The way the

954
01:12:28.934 --> 01:12:34.000
law is written, the two site I
really kind of completely
different. It

955
01:12:34.000 --> 01:12:37.934
doesn't mean that you cannot
work with the Brownfields
program if

956
01:12:37.934 --> 01:12:42.934
you have part of it, you can
work with the program,

957
01:12:42.934 --> 01:12:48.934
if you cannot use the money for
Superfund site or

958
01:12:48.934 --> 01:12:51.934
vice versa.

959
01:12:51.934 --> 01:12:54.934
>> Thank you. This

960
01:12:54.934 --> 01:13:00.934
question dovetails nicely.
Here's the question. I would
love to hear

961
01:13:00.934 --> 01:13:04.934
some details on how Paul
convinced

962
01:13:04.934 --> 01:13:10.934
the EPA to defer to the
voluntary cleanup program. In
Massachusetts,

963
01:13:10.934 --> 01:13:14.934
we are redeveloping the
Superfund site. Oversight slows

964
01:13:14.934 --> 01:13:18.934
everything down. It requires
review and approval

965
01:13:18.934 --> 01:13:21.934
at every step. In stark contrast
to

966
01:13:21.934 --> 01:13:26.934
the majority of Brownfield
redevelopment in Massachusetts
which can occur

967
01:13:26.934 --> 01:13:29.934
on a development timeline under
our

968
01:13:29.934 --> 01:13:33.000
state voluntary cleanup program.

969
01:13:33.000 --> 01:13:39.934
Paul, how did you convince the
EPA?

970
01:13:39.934 --> 01:13:44.934
>> Yeah, I would say that
perhaps it's one of the news,
maybe the

971
01:13:44.934 --> 01:13:51.934
most important decision in the
whole project. And we did it by

972
01:13:51.934 --> 01:14:00.934
going out to sit down with the
region five folks.

973
01:14:00.934 --> 01:14:05.934
We had a good idea what we
wanted

974
01:14:05.934 --> 01:14:09.934
to build. We had done three
other Superfund

975
01:14:09.934 --> 01:14:15.934
sites. We were not a novice who
is to come in and through this
thing

976
01:14:15.934 --> 01:14:24.934
apart and go bankrupt.

977
01:14:24.934 --> 01:14:30.934
Most importantly, we had a great
relationship with

978
01:14:30.934 --> 01:14:40.000
the state and control agency.
The state was

979
01:14:40.000 --> 01:14:43.000
comfortable moving.

980
01:14:43.000 --> 01:14:46.000
This is not over for the
Superfund stuff, but

981
01:14:46.000 --> 01:14:55.000
I redevelopment jurisdiction
into the unit. And ultimately, I
think

982
01:14:55.000 --> 01:14:59.000
was made by the region five
lawyer. I cannot

983
01:14:59.000 --> 01:15:05.000
tell you what I did yesterday, I
remember that meeting there is

984
01:15:05.000 --> 01:15:09.000
no reason that we should be
monkeying around with trying

985
01:15:09.000 --> 01:15:15.000
to prove and manage a voluntary
cleanup

986
01:15:15.000 --> 01:15:21.000
and redevelop and we have a
state that is a

987
01:15:21.000 --> 01:15:24.000
robust program, strong
professionals.

988
01:15:24.000 --> 01:15:30.000
It can do that for us. We will
retain our hooks

989
01:15:30.000 --> 01:15:35.067
into the Navy. And PhD. When it
comes to your

990
01:15:35.067 --> 01:15:40.000
your redevelopment, your
communication, your approvals

991
01:15:40.000 --> 01:15:46.000
are to the state voluntary
cleanup program. That is how the

992
01:15:46.000 --> 01:15:51.000
thing went from is this going to
work

993
01:15:51.000 --> 01:15:54.000
to done.

994
01:15:54.000 --> 01:15:59.000
>> Great. Thank you. Sheila, you
are the RPM on

995
01:15:59.000 --> 01:16:03.000
the site, your reaction when you
sat down

996
01:16:03.000 --> 01:16:06.000
with the site team?

997
01:16:06.000 --> 01:16:11.000
>> I think that might've been
right before I got the site that
they

998
01:16:11.000 --> 01:16:17.000
sat down. Just answer

999
01:16:17.000 --> 01:16:22.000
the question, this might be a
little different

1000
01:16:22.000 --> 01:16:28.000
than the other sites. All we
have left the soil

1001
01:16:28.000 --> 01:16:37.067
is ladies controls.

1002
01:16:37.067 --> 01:16:41.000
This was conducted prior

1003
01:16:41.000 --> 01:16:46.000
to. There was not really
anything to do

1004
01:16:46.000 --> 01:16:52.000
except for listed. I thought we
had ended. We know that

1005
01:16:52.000 --> 01:17:01.000
EPA met with high and the Navy.
That is when had

1006
01:17:01.000 --> 01:17:10.000
and redefined the units to be
able to do that, which help

1007
01:17:10.000 --> 01:17:14.000
the fulfillment. There was not
anything else really for them to
do with

1008
01:17:14.000 --> 01:17:18.000
the soil, as they were
[Indiscernible] and they're

1009
01:17:18.000 --> 01:17:24.000
going to move the soil, address
to the cleanup program. It

1010
01:17:24.000 --> 01:17:29.000
appeared okay.

1011
01:17:29.000 --> 01:17:35.067
Thank you. Here's a question
actually on

1012
01:17:35.067 --> 01:17:37.067
operable unit. The question
reads, can you share a

1013
01:17:37.067 --> 01:17:41.000
bit more about the realignment
of operable unit at the site,
specifically

1014
01:17:41.000 --> 01:17:46.000
how I felt to expedite the
cleanup redevelopment.

1015
01:17:46.000 --> 01:17:51.000
>> Sheila, do you want to expand
upon your other

1016
01:17:51.000 --> 01:17:52.000
answer?

1017
01:17:52.000 --> 01:17:57.000
>> Operable units were defined,
there is only one for
groundwater.

1018
01:17:57.000 --> 01:18:06.000
OU two for soil outside the
building, it

1019
01:18:06.000 --> 01:18:12.000
was saturated. It just seemed
odd to have it

1020
01:18:12.000 --> 01:18:21.000
defined that way. We redefined
it.

1021
01:18:21.000 --> 01:18:27.000
We at the plating room still was
where the source of

1022
01:18:27.000 --> 01:18:36.067
the material was the Navy needed
that.

1023
01:18:36.067 --> 01:18:42.000
OU three became soil under the
plating. So, we were able

1024
01:18:42.000 --> 01:18:50.000
to delist you too, the rest of
the soil not

1025
01:18:50.000 --> 01:18:53.000
the plating.

1026
01:18:53.000 --> 01:18:59.000
And then, OU three, we left
still listed on

1027
01:18:59.000 --> 01:19:08.000
the NPL. The Navy could still
address.

1028
01:19:08.000 --> 01:19:12.000
The rest of the buildings were
taken down. The Navy was able to
go in

1029
01:19:12.000 --> 01:19:17.000
and actually treat some of that
soil. And excavated. And then we

1030
01:19:17.000 --> 01:19:20.000
were able to delist OU three.

1031
01:19:20.000 --> 01:19:26.000
>> Very helpful, thank you.

1032
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Paul, what was the percentage
rate for the grant you

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01:19:32.067 --> 01:19:37.067
apply to?

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01:19:37.067 --> 01:19:40.000
>> I think is probably 100%.

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01:19:40.000 --> 01:19:46.000
We want 100%. There are

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01:19:46.000 --> 01:19:50.000
some subtleties to that.
Sometimes there's not as

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01:19:50.000 --> 01:19:56.000
much money as you ask for. The
other piece of's

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01:19:56.000 --> 01:20:04.000
we worked really hard at getting
our costs ahead of time and
sitting

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01:20:04.000 --> 01:20:09.000
down grant funders had a time.
This is what we think were

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01:20:09.000 --> 01:20:12.000
coming in with here's where we
think the different

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01:20:12.000 --> 01:20:18.000
expenses are. We will get a lot
of good feedback. The grant
funders

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01:20:18.000 --> 01:20:23.000
will say we are not going to pay
for that but we would pay for
this.

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01:20:23.000 --> 01:20:29.000
You've not demonstrated this
clearly enough. Bill

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01:20:29.000 --> 01:20:32.067
thought stronger. We don't just
crank it out in an hour

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01:20:32.067 --> 01:20:34.067
and dump it in at the deadline.

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01:20:34.067 --> 01:20:39.000
It takes months of work to going
to we are blessed to have great

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01:20:39.000 --> 01:20:43.000
staff in those chairs and a
track record

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01:20:43.000 --> 01:20:48.000
of spending the money wisely and
delivering the job and tax base

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01:20:48.000 --> 01:20:53.000
results of the galactic
legislature and get more money.

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01:20:53.000 --> 01:20:58.000
>> Great. Okay. I think we have
time

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01:20:58.000 --> 01:21:04.000
for one more question. Paul, I'm
going to

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01:21:04.000 --> 01:21:10.000
refer this to you as well.

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01:21:10.000 --> 01:21:14.000
The question, can you comment on
how you select your
environmental

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01:21:14.000 --> 01:21:18.000
consultants and contractors on
the job is complicated

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01:21:18.000 --> 01:21:21.000
and big as this one?

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01:21:21.000 --> 01:21:26.000
>> Great question. We are

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01:21:26.000 --> 01:21:31.000
super focused. The biggest risk
press is there is a bust

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01:21:31.000 --> 01:21:37.000
on the environmental side,
there's a bus on the grading
side. We did

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01:21:37.000 --> 01:21:40.934
the cleanup, we put the dirty
stuff

1060
01:21:40.934 --> 01:21:46.934
in a green space, we are short
on where we need to be. Or it
didn't

1061
01:21:46.934 --> 01:21:51.934
compare right. There's all sorts
of concerns

1062
01:21:51.934 --> 01:21:55.934
about utilities. We are really
focused on engineers that are
pragmatic

1063
01:21:55.934 --> 01:21:58.934
and have a strong civil
engineering background. And who

1064
01:21:58.934 --> 01:22:04.934
have done a lot of work with
construction and development.
Folks

1065
01:22:04.934 --> 01:22:10.934
have to be able to take risks,

1066
01:22:10.934 --> 01:22:15.934
we have a hard time with
consultants and I don't know, I

1067
01:22:15.934 --> 01:22:18.934
don't know. It's like, we bought
a Superfund site without being
able

1068
01:22:18.934 --> 01:22:23.934
to do all of the investigation
that we would

1069
01:22:23.934 --> 01:22:27.934
normally do. We need somebody
who can take a risk. We need
someone

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01:22:27.934 --> 01:22:34.000
who is with civil engineering
construction finally, we spend a
lot of money

1071
01:22:34.000 --> 01:22:38.934
and time on sort of re-creating
the history of

1072
01:22:38.934 --> 01:22:43.934
the site. Looking at all of the
old plans, talking with people
that

1073
01:22:43.934 --> 01:22:49.934
operated there. Understanding
how things was to figure

1074
01:22:49.934 --> 01:22:57.934
out where the hotspots may be.

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01:22:57.934 --> 01:23:03.934
We hate [Indiscernible], I would
rather

1076
01:23:03.934 --> 01:23:09.934
use tobacco.

1077
01:23:09.934 --> 01:23:12.934
Those are some comments on.

1078
01:23:12.934 --> 01:23:15.934
>> Thanks, Tom.

1079
01:23:15.934 --> 01:23:19.934
>> Thank you.

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01:23:19.934 --> 01:23:23.934
>> We have just a few more
minutes. Let's go ahead and wrap

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01:23:23.934 --> 01:23:27.934
this up. I want to thank
everyone for

1082
01:23:27.934 --> 01:23:33.000
participating today. I want to
thank you for your feedback and
your questions.

1083
01:23:33.000 --> 01:23:36.000
A big thank you to the EPA
Superfund redevelopment and
Frank

1084
01:23:36.000 --> 01:23:41.934
for hosting this valuable series
of webinars. Of course, I joined

1085
01:23:41.934 --> 01:23:45.934
Norma's thank you to Paul, Tom,
Sheila and Phil for making

1086
01:23:45.934 --> 01:23:49.934
this such a wonderful event, if
you did not

1087
01:23:49.934 --> 01:23:55.934
get your question answered, EPA
will email you and provide you
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1088
01:23:55.934 --> 01:23:59.934
an answer, you can have
discussion there. With that, I
will

1089
01:23:59.934 --> 01:24:02.934
turn it back over to Jean.

1090
01:24:02.934 --> 01:24:07.934
>> Thank you so much. I'm going
to

1091
01:24:07.934 --> 01:24:09.934
go ahead and walk through a few
quick reminders before we close

1092
01:24:09.934 --> 01:24:15.934
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1093
01:24:15.934 --> 01:24:18.934
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