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>> So we are very fortunate to have another speaker joining us to help introduce

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our session. So, Karla Harre , has been a former FRT artist

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during committee chair and currently with the environmental restoration

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center. So, I don't want to eat up any more time, want to turn it over to you so

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you can welcome our guest today.

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>> Sounds great,, well, I do want to give a big welcome to everyone who's joined

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us here for the second session of the FRT are spring meeting, good morning, good

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afternoon, maybe in some cases

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good evening. I'm so happy we can meet online and reach across the country. I

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think we have several hundred on the phone, I know we did last Wednesday. And

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maybe even some people are joining us from other countries. So that's really

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exciting. I've been honored to be working with the FRTR for close to 20 years.

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collaboration, the come right away, and the learning that we all share among our

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federal agencies in re-mediation technologies. This group is amazing. It not

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only helps you, personally grow, but I more competent in my own career

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within environmental restoration, but I can see how it has greatly benefited

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our federal agencies. And specifically, my Navy organization, the Naval

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facilities engineering and expeditionary command. We are more informed. We make

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better cleanup decisions, we pursued optimum technologies and because of a

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due to our involvement in FRTR. I'm excited for the picture of this

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organization, and what it can bring to our individual into to see, also.

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>> Next slide, Jean.

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>> We are at the point of the road here we want to posit and reassess and

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reconfirm, and focus in on the areas for FRTR where we want to work in the

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>> So our meeting is appropriately titled FRTR at 30 Years: Grand Challenges and

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Opportunites for Advancing Remediation Technologies Session 2 .

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are meeting again today. So last Wednesday session of course, we heard from our

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agencies, and our agency leaders on what the top remediation challenges are.

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how can we use innovative and advanced technologies, and in what areas in order

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>> So our first speaker today is going to recap

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for us the highlights from last Wednesday session 1. So don't worry if you

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missed it, I think you will be able to catch up and get up to speed. And then,

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today, our second speaker is going to review the survey response questions

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question specifically on the innovative remediation technologies today.

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discussion. We are going to get to hear from

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each of the agencies on capabilities on, they are capabilities and directions

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discuss how we can collaborate with each other and move in a great direction in

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and the purpose of today, really is to walk away from this meeting with some

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You can go onto the next slide, Jean. That would be great.

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the steering committee members listed here on the slide will work to review the

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service, and from any additional information that the participants in today's

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meetings and last mainstays meetings will provide.

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We want to look for forming partnerships. We want to look to interact with the

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state and the private industry, and we want to share lessons learned. And we

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want to make sure that we are doing it in the right areas that is going to end

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>> So with that, I hope you

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enjoyed today's sessions, and actually I know you will. I want to thank our

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speakers to, who I know spent much time in preparation in preparation for being

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here today. We are excited to hear from you. With that, our first speaker is

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Miss Tonya galago's, I'm going to introduce a right now. She is a research

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engineer in Mexico. She's received a PhD in environmental and water resources

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engineering from the University of New Mexico. She has been a member of FRTR

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steering committee since 2017, welcome Tonya.

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>> Thank you, Carla. I'm going to be presenting the highlights from session 1

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The grand challenges, research gaps, and priorities. And this is on behalf of

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>> Last week we had 349 participants from many different sections or sectors of

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remaining difficult to remediate sites. Some of these are difficult because

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hydrology, or recalcitrant contaminants. We also talked about the challenges

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how did the remedies actually impact climate?

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of water? We talked a lot a bit about the loss of expertise in personnel, and

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promising technologies. Now I will also share, and FRTR the vision report. We

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>> In terms of recommendations that would aid in advancing technologies for

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field readiness, several agencies mentioned the need for provisional resources

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for advancing technologies such as pilot testing, verification strategies, etc.

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technologies and in concurrence of their continued development. Development of

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innovative approaches that are compatible with federal location specific

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applicable or relevant and appropriate requirements. It was also recommended

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commended that the FRTR continue its role in facilitating collaboration

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communication, and information

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sharing among agencies. A lot of which Tonya just mentioned, and there were

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suggestions of platforms for information exchange such as holding annual

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workshops to hold and discuss new technologies are utilizing social media to

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discuss and technical issues and to provide direction and applying the

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technologies. >> Among the new promising new technical ologies

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identified we saw responses for passive treatments for water treatment, remote

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sensing for large-scale as well as

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application robotics for monitoring. There's interest in new tools to interpret

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geology and chemistry data to build better conceptual site models. Also a lot of

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promise in the use of artificial intelligence machine learning, and this guy's

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remediation technologies to analyze data across multiple sites. There's also

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interest in utilizing process a process for source reduction.

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>> As part of the survey, we also asked the senior leaders to think about future

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during committees going forward as we consider the input we received. So

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there's a lot of support for continuing sharing lessons learned. Updates on

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innovative technologies, and estimating costs across similar sites, and this

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type of crosstalk is very helpful for all agencies. The cost comparisons are

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very informative, and even help in the context of new technology development

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because it serves as a great benchmark for comparing with consistent competing

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technologies. There's also support for engaging with outside researchers and

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technology developers. We want to communicate the unmet needs for coming Acacia

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technologies. To develop a framer,

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for sharing progress of new technologies between the agencies, and just as

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important is to continue to be a resources for identifying subject matter

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expertise within the agencies. To identify promising opportunities to leverage

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other ongoing initiatives and programs and identifying when there are important

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initiatives such as

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climate change, environmental justice, and emerging contaminants for example.

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practices but doing so in a manner that is enhancing safety, and is a benefit to

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the environment and being cognizant of opportunities to improve our lifecycle

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remediation performance.

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slides we see a need for identifying promising innovative solutions that will

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increase resilience to climate change. And a proactive approach to emerging

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accelerating scientific understanding and advancing characterization

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remediation approaches for emerging chemicals. There's exchange methods to deal

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that are particularly difficult to remediate. And last, but not least to engage

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with and identify training needs for current and next generation of

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. A lot of this was reflected in the presentation that Tonya just gave, so

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there's consistency. That's always good. Before we move on to hear from our

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panel senior leaders, I would like the audience to be invited to responding to

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the same

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ideas in the Q&A box. Thank you for your attention with that, I would like to

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introduce our moderator for the advanced array

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technologies panel. Dr. Kent Glover has been involved since the 1980s and

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remediation. Currently is the Air Force subject matter expert for remediation

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system and provides technical leadership and remedy selection , implementation,

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performs the value mentation and evaluation.

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>> Before coming to the Air Force in 2010, he was a physical scientist for

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several engineering firms providing consulting services to the private sector

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and government client. From 1976 and 1989 he served in the USGS is a

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hydrologist. He

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has a PhD and MS in environmental science and from Colorado school of mines. So

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Kent, I will not hand it out to you to introduce the panel.

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>> Thank you very much, Heather.

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>> Today we've assembled a panel of senior technologists and leaders from member

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agencies from FRT are to continue our

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agencies perspectives on how to advance promising remediation research and

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apply new technologies and field sites.

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>> So let's go to the next slide, please.

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>> During the first part of our discussion each panelist will highlight

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agency advances in technology sit expedited improved cleanup sites. We will

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have a less formal question and answer session in the second part. Today's

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attendees and you and the audience will have an opportunity participate in the

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dialogue. Jean balance will tell us more about that in a bit.

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>> Our panelists are listed on the slide, and I will introduce each of them in

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turn as they each provide a 5 to 7 minutes, overview of the programming. So

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>> Our first panelist is Dr. Heather Henry, will you just saw. And I won't read

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little bio, because you've already heard that, but I will note that I think

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she's the only Fulbright scholar on the panel today. So, Heather.

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>> Welcome back.

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>> Well, thank you, Kent.

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It's an honor to be here to talk about the Superfund basic research and

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training program capabilities and direction to advance

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innovative reedy mission talk knowledges. I am filling in with Dr. William

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Zucker, he made the presentation last week, so I will build on his presentation

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focusing in on remediation modeling and technology modeling portfolio. Before I

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diagram on the left, here is our strategic plan from last summer, it shows the

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full breath of the Superfund research, so you can get a full set of the old

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programs capabilities. So our mandate called for basic research and training

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programs including environmental research, biomedical, environmental science and

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engineering. But

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realizing the importance of connecting to real-world application our program

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includes experts and comedian geishas,

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research translation, and data signs ensuring that there is a lasting impact.

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>> Lastly, a major capability of our federal trainings that come from the

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program, graduated postdoc students were trained and missed many disciplinary

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approaches. Many of them are making

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a difference as professionals in the environmental remediation world as

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research academics, as part of engineering firms, and many are

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active in several of the FRTR agencies.

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>> So just want to give a snapshot of the overall SRP research grapple for Leo.

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We have multiple in disciplinary sectors that cover all areas of research

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mentioned. We also have a new program combining

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bioremediation in materials science for emerging contaminants and mixtures. And

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then we also have our SBIR grant program. They

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align phase one and phase two in remediation and direction

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technologies.

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>> All projects include research translation, technology transfer, and or

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commercialization plans.

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In fact, several of our grantees are working on projects

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, partnering with federal FRTR federal agencies. Maybe some of the inching

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meeting engineering firms are on the call today.

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mechanisms not contracts. So these are used by in an

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NIH is a funding opportunity.

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sustainability. We are looking for green technologies, technologies expectedly

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practical as an option, whether it's due to the ease or the use of the

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technology, being more portable approach. And resilience is also another

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consideration. Among some of the virology technologies

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approaches are machine learning and advanced technologies hold a lot of

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projects

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. In terms of technology readiness level, we generally range between a TLR of

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But we certainly do have are success stories as was presented last week, and

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as in the publication there from 2018,

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we detail some of our success stories. So long story short, it's a long process

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for bracelet research from field to implementation. So moving away from costly

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approaches, is always a good thing.

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I think everyone will agree with that.

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>> Next slide.

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>> In terms of barriers and challenges to

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technology development, you know the reality of the research enterprise, is

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that basic research is very successful in generating fundamental knowledge but

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it does not always lead to application. There are technologies that are ready

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should start moving into the field and there are many starts and stops provided

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are lessons learned switch help reshape the technology.

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It is also important to have opportunities to test technology and field

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settings and multiple field settings is more ideal. As mentioned in the previous

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presentation, finding the right side is difficult for technology developers.

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Both parties need to be willing, there's a time committee, new

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technology takes several iterations get it right. It takes a lot of patience.

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Needless to say, that the priority expectations are managed. Also there's

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limited funding for new technic colleges

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into the field and into curve commercialization.

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>> So while there are

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barriers there are opportunities. Perhaps there could be more strategic way to

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Mac technology developers sites. Sites are willing to or able to try out new

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approaches, for establishing more study sites let's say, were

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ground level testing, we need interactions with stakeholders early on in the

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research process to make up and help transfer knowledge about the real gaps and

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needs of technologies. And possibly there might be better ways of leveraging

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existing data in field experiences come up particularly so investors are get

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more into the field. I think we all struggle with this. But how do we get all

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the information out there. Is there an ideal way to package information

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about ongoing work without overwhelming stakeholders.

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>> Something we did last fall was

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Fisher YouTube video shorts initiative our programs. Something like that is a

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good solution.

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Next slide please.

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>> Lastly, we see a huge opportunity in mentoring and training. Even if it is in

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the early development of the research project. Crosstraining of the younger

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generation to learn more about real-world sites and vice versa, and also we are

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not getting a generation to gain exposure to some of the younger generations and

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learn about innovative data sharing

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and other advances that are second nature to these trainees.

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grant process for applicants. Maybe we need to work together to demystify the

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grant technology process and figure out a roadmap for facilitating grant

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technology transfer and find a way to get these projects implemented.

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>> With that I'd like to give special kinks thanks to

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my colleagues. I'd love for you to take a screenshot on this slide because

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there's a lot of opportunities here. We have researched up dates, ongoing web

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shops, webinars, information on emerging contaminants, and are SRP meeting will

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be in

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North Carolina, we would love for you to join us in Raleigh are virtually.

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Can't, with that I'll hand it back to you. Thank you.

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>> Thank you. Our next panel assist Dr. Andrea Lee son,

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she is a debit director of environmental restoration program and from certain.

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She has been with the program since 2001 and was prior

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a research leader at number two Memorial research Institute

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she holds a doctoral degree in environmental into

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engineering from Johns Hopkins University, with that,

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I want to turn it over to you Andrea, please.

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>> Great, thank you can and thank you everyone for joining today it has been a

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while since I presented

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, and I'm glad to be back. I think this is a valuable work relationship between

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programs. So, what I'd like to do, before I jump into my presentation is,

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described our two companion programs here. Because I don't really do it in the

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presentation. And I want to make sure everyone who was on the call is familiar

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with who we are.

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>> ESTCP, and ESTCP are two companion programs of environmental technology

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programs in the Department of Defense. This is

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SERDP, our traditional R and D program. Much of the work is done in research

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lab at stories with universities government level except for Tori

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but it looks like a fairly traditional R&D program.

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And ESTCP is the environmental security technology certification program. That

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is our demonstration and validation program. You can see that with SERDP it's

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the collaboration of DOD EBA, and DOE, and ESTCP is

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intended to

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decide that

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technologies are secure and ready to be developed, this is what we do. We

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conduct validation of technologies, maybe a body of knowledge that's been

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developed. And we validate, demonstrate, and

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get them into the field when it's ready.

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>> So what I'd like to do is give you a little overview here about how we do

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things in terms of what drives our research and it is, and

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what sort of technologies we are demonstrating in the field.

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>> Our first priority is the sustainment of

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our testing and training ranges, facilities, and operations. That's a

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tremendously broad category, and as you can see here, I've listed just a few

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issues that come under that, but that's everything from Maritimes the

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attainability, to noise issues, for

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UXO and munitions constituents, that's probably the one area that we really

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have falling under the whole site cleanup issue that we deal with at FRT are.

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Ask an indication as to she was, that

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falls under my program area of environmental restoration, that's where

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chemicals escape the munitions, they impact the water,

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the soils around them, and that's where we get involved.

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>> And then, we also are concerned with the reduction in

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current and future liability. Now, there is a piece of that program that

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addresses the

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pollution prevention and where we are trying to improve or replace hazardous

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materials or processes on our facilities. But then it also, is a large component

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that's dealing with contamination from past practices and that includes

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impacting

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groundwater soils and sediments, are you X old liability falls under that, and

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of course the whole issue of emerging Kim at Tammuz of concern falls under that

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area and much of what we will talk about today falls in this area of reducing

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this current liability.

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>> So,

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how we really develop

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as we address, we have this longer-term strategic plans where we look at high

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priority requirements, and we are certainly looking toward our

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technical committees to bring those requirements to us, but we also look

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to organizations such as the FRTR to bring up these issues, as well, so that we

545
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can make sure that we are addressing issues that are importance to

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the user communities.

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>> What we try to do is look to the future as much as possible. We certainly do

548
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not want to wait until there is a critical issue going on at our facilities

549
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before we jump into the research and, because as you know, the research can

550
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take a few years. And then you will go on to demonstration validation in the

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field. So it's important to stay ahead of what we know

552
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. So that is always what we are trying to do, is trying to anticipate future

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issues.

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>> And so, that means we are also wanting to be very responsive to evolving

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requirements and in particular such as emerging chemicals of concern, and

556
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we do that in a number of ways, not only by listening to our technical

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committees, and I don't I didn't describe what's on our technical committees,

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but what we have are representatives from the Air Force, Army, Navy, the EPA,

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the Department of Energy, as well as a number of other technical consultants

560
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who are complying with what is going on in the field.

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>> So I wanted to show, you know, really good example of some of what we've done

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with trying to jump on issues quickly. We are actually up pretty small office in

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terms of staffing, and our processes

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, and what that really means, as we tend to be able to move a little we when

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something comes up, an example of this is PFAS. The year that the EPA published

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their health advisors on

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PFAS we issued a solicitation that same year. And that was

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a treatment option, and I'm not going to go into the slide in great detail, but

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this shows that from that piece we were able to expand the research, and by the

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time that there was a tremendous around

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of interest and concern about these chemicals, we already had several years of

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work accomplished. I think that was very important, that again look into the

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future, and trying to get ahead of what may be issues for us down the road.

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>> For those of you interested in PFAS, I will point you to this bottom link on

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the page. This will take you to a similar

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page to this. It looks a little different, but it will have the same

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information. And from here, you can go to

578
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be interactive and click on the different boxes, and what the boxes represent

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our groups approaches, and the title shown here is just a brief snippet of what

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was covered in that year.

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And, this will show you what's been funded over the years, and

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when you click on the box it'll give you a summary of what's being looked for,

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and a summary of every single project that was select that particular year.

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>> Certainly most of our effort,

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it is been within the last three or four years in this area where we are

586
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currently funding over $170 million worth of work. That represents about 175

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different projects and it's a tremendous amount of effort.

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>> So, I would like to leave you with

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what I consider the most critical piece of the work. It is ultimately that the

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research and results of

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demonstrations have to reach our user community, and that is a critical

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and of importance to us. Without this translation of effort to the user

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communities, think the value of the work as really diminished. It has to get out

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to the people, and you know, the sites that need that information.

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>> Also, I think this is a place where

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the FRTR is uniquely positioned to help with this, and that you know, as we

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interact with each other, we can make each other aware of the sort of work that

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is going on that would be of importance. So, secondly I think the PFAS can also

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help with again, this issue of staying ahead of what's coming down the pike. So

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, we will be able to understand what kind of issues, not just new chemicals of

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concern, but a new issue that's going on at our facilities that we can get a

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jump on and develop the research, and the demonstrations needed to address that.

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>> So Kent, I will turn it back to you. Thank you.

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>> Thank you. Our next panelist is let me see, yes, Dr. Jeffrey Plumley,

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he is the chief scientist at U.S. geological survey and provides strategic

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vision is a counsel and director,

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and science research priorities capabilities partnerships. Previously, he was a

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USGS

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associate director for environmental health, and he has over 30 years of

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research and science leadership experience at the USGS. That includes successful

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research to calibrate collaborations with scientists from a broad range of

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disciplines. He is a fellow of the geological Society of America and very active

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in leader ship from the GSA and American geophysical Union.

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He is an author or co-author of more than hundred and 40 papers and books and

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has received several awards

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for Emeritus and distinguished service from a number of organizations. He holds

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a BS in geology from the University of New Mexico, and his doctorate is in

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geochemistry from Harvard University.

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>> Jeff.

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>> Great, well thanks Ken. I appreciate it, and thanks to the organizing

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committee for inviting me to speak, and I also wanted to acknowledge the great

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help that Tonya Gallegos and Mary K Foley and Margaret Deakins provided in

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pulling together this presentation and the presentation last week.

624
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>> So, as I talk

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about last week in my presentation, U.S. geological survey or USGS is a

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nonregulatory,

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non-advocacy science organization located within the Department of Interior. We

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do basic applied science to support a wide range

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of remediation decisions, and we don't do regulations, we do the science that

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informs regulation and

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it informs policy. We don't do much in the typical site remediation comparable

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we do a lot in

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one of the signs to inform site remediation. We have capabilities in

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laboratories, field studies, spreading the full range of Earth sciences,

635
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biological sciences, hydrology, and we do

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modeling, we do geospatial analysis, mapping, and a variety of Geo

637
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complications. Our expertise that could be used or has been used or is being

638
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currently worked on, is in environmental related topics is

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spread across the five information areas. For example our energy and minerals

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mission areas he woods back is focused on abandoned mine sites. And the

641
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environmental issues such as energy development, also waste

642
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and energy and resource production. And in

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area we've been looking at and is continuing to grow as

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mine waste is the potential of critical resources. Environmental health

645
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programs, is a wide range of

646
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contaminants from chlorinated compounds, drinking water compounds, and emerging

647
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contaminants in drinking water and wastewater, and our water missionary is

648
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traditional and does a lot of work on the national basis for water quality. We

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also have regions in North and as Atlantic region. We also do topic specific

650
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things like karst

651
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strains. And our ecosystems does a wide range of work on

652
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XO toxicological and toxicological in contaminants and how they link to

653
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hydrology and biochemical processes.

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>> >> So, there's quite a bit of work that we do that relates to promising

655
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remediation research applying new technologies. We do work all the way from

656
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site-specific up to both regional and

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even national approaches. One of the things that we always appreciate is having

658
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his access to complex sites where our research and methods can be used to help

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interpret processes and inform me remediation. We look at source receptor kind

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of report, that's another successful reports, we've used a lot of different

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advanced technologies such as advanced sensors, remote sensing,

662
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drones, aerial systems using machine learning artificial intelligence to link,

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and interpret diverse data sets. We are trying to a

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develop a lot of new methodologies as well looking at for example, one of the

665
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things you see in the abandoned mine lands around where there abandoned sites

666
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with

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together water sets, we prioritize those for cleanup and how do you understand

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the pre-mining baseline signatures like I talked about last week.

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>> We can use these integrated climatic topographic, geologic

670
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, geochemical,

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etc. models of watersheds. We can actually model what the locations would be if

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you all of a sudden

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took out one source of the contamination in a draining mind. We like to look at

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things in a one health concept, that is the concept that you know, the

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environment and the health of humans, and the health of animals, both

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livestock and fish and wildlife are all related. You will see that in the

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diagram on the right. And then another aspect we look at is the option of

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advanced geophysical site characterization, geological characterization and

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monitoring technologies.

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>> So,

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there are a variety of things that we would like to see, or we would like to

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continue to contribute to

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, say that three times fast, in terms of the future of PFAS. We've really value

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a petition nation in FRTR and in

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we participate and enjoy and have learned a lot. So some things like have the

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member agencies understand how where science can be better prior to

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. How can we exchange information, what can we do to gain access to these pilot

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study sites that are being remediated? And then what can we do to raise

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awareness of agencies science needs

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. And one of the things we looked at and particularly in the resources whelmed

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is our knowledge of genealogy in geochemistry and mineral toxicology to help

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prevent contamination before it occurs. With that, thanks very much.

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>> Thanks, Jeff.

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>> Our next panelist is Dr. Patricia

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.

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She is the director of decommissioning

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uranium recovery and waste programs office of nuclear material safety and

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safeguards at the U.S. nuclear regulatory

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commission. She's been with NRC since 1991 and held several directed positions

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as a well as a variety of staff and management positions. Before joining NRC,

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Patricia word as a radiation

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consulting biologist and an assistant professor for the University of Texas,

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Austin.

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In the Armed Forces radio biology research Institute

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. She holds her PhD in radiation biology from Colorado State University, a

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school I know well, and her BS and MS is from the University of

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Western Ontario. So, Trish, I will turn it over to you.

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>> Thank you, Ken. And good afternoon, good afternoon, good evening,

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or good morning. It's my pleasure to receive federal experts from 11 agencies

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working together in around told to achieve a common goal. This is

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the innovative use of cleanup for hazardous, radiological contamination and

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remediation of our environmental past activities. In fact your mission is in

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harmony with our commonly knows as decommission

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uranium recovery programs. This is protected

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today, tomorrow and clean up in the past. This

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is an opportunity to take time to think

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those simple this presentation as well as the one from NRC together.

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>> Our division and other divisions and offices that the NRC have a great

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interest

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and we are looking into a advanced technologies to be all applied to

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decommissioning at sites. We don't just cleanup reactors, but complex material

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sites as well as your remain them

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uranium recovery sites.

724
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>> We work closely with our office of nuclear regulatory research in particular.

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We heard from them last week.

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>> For  advanced technologies would be needed during the

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transition and decommissioning phase of operation to decommissioning. So that's

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dismantling, handling remote components, doing the actual decommissioning

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involving care duration and

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cleanup of radioactivity in soil and subsurface and groundwater. And the

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process of license termination

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involving final status survey and demonstration of regulatory compliance for

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safety and environmental protection.

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>> Currently, we are keenly interested in and fans enhancing

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cleanup of subsurface immediate reactor decommissioning sites as well as

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materials at uranium recovery sites for

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demonstration of regulatory compliance. We are hosting a public workshop on

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July 14th and 15 to discuss innovative approaches to characterize and survey

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some surface media, and we are extending an invitation to all of our active FRTR

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experts to participate. Moore's them available on a public website, also is

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going to be posted in the intermission session.

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>> I'll give an example of NRC's interest in advanced

743
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technologies is application to monitoring

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characterization and survey and served surface at the

745
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in situ recovery sites for demonstration of long-term sustainability and

746
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the subsurface..

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>> Also innovative approaches and methods to approach to

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integrate any risk sites into the NRC to being aware about the problem, and

749
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providing an example of what can go wrong, the consequences and what's likely to

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occur. Managing the risk, realizing the results and teaching of lessons learned,

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therefore we recommend that FRTR activities exclude

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exchange information about technologies for cleanup and transfer of knowledge

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about lessons learned. In other words, case studies to obtain real word

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knowledge about

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sites and remediation should be an important focus for track 25.

756
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>> The most conspicuous challenges we face maybe

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other agencies as well, since other agencies as well, include knowledge

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transfer of innovative technologies to the me reading nation immunity and

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regulators. Accessibility to new technologies and their cost efficiencies.

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We've heard that a number of talk so far.

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>> Ordination of regulatory updates, guidance, and good practices for robotic

762
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surveillance and application of new technologies.

763
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>> Awareness of federally funded academic

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research and institutions of new and innovative remediation technologies or

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applications and their application.

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And transitioning of advanced technologies from laboratory/pilot scale to feel

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the meditation.

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>> We have several suggestions to FRTR to include enhanced

769
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munication and technical exchanges that FRTR meetings. We for that multiple

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times as well.

771
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>> A program to test and evaluate innovative technologies for transitioning from

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experimental/pilot scale to fields scale applications pitch back.

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>> Initiate discussions of regulatory updates, guidance and good practices to

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incorporate new and innovative technologies. Virtual workshops to explain and

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demonstrate advanced technologies and their transitioning to feel limitation.

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And finally, coordination with academic and research institutions to showcase

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new and innovative radiation technologies funded by federal agencies.

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>> In conclusion, we at the NRC appreciate the great

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collaborative work of the FRTR today. We endorse focusing on innovative

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technologies for remediation of radiological lamination. And we anticipate

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further collaboration on innovation, technology transfer, and risk assessment

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for decommissioning and environmental assessment . And sharing of lessons

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learned spirit. Alternate back to you with that, Ken.

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>> Thank you, Trish. Our next panelist is Mark Gilbertson.

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Mark is the associate

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integrity assistant secretary for regulatory and policy affairs and the office

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of environmental management at U.S. Department of energy.

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The office provides technical and policy support in planning and field

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execution of wastes and minerals disposition

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and soil and groundwater remediation that activates the decommissioning of EM

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facilities. He has been with EM for more than 25 years. He served in a number

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senior leadership positions. Prior to EM Markel positions throughout other

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Department of Energy offices, and

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spent four years with the EPA as an engineering consultant before that.

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>> Mark holds a BS in chemical imaging from the University of Wisconsin, and

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an executive certificate in management and leadership from Massachusetts

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Institute of technology. Mark, I will pass the baton to you, now.

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>> Thank you can't, I think

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you get probably the prize for one of the most complicated acronyms for titles.

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You know, we like our acronyms in the federal government. But, so I want to

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first thank Paul Beam , and Kurt girders for the system in

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preparation for materials for this discussion. As I mentioned, at the last

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session, EM

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is one of the largest cleanup programs in the world. We have

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over $70 billion worth of work that we need to do within the next 10 years.

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And, we will be done in that timeframe.

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>> You know, one of the largest liabilities in the federal government. With that

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said, the work that

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the federal mediation technology Roundtable does is really important to us. You

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know, the more we can emanate,

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the faster we can do things, the faster we can bring science into

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decision-making, you know the better off we will be in the long run with regard

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to our program for reduced risk to the environment and the public

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and to do it in an efficient manner for the taxpayers.

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>> With that, I just chose a few things, we chose a few things to highlight, you

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know, with regard to some of the program initiatives. Obviously, it would be

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hard to cover everything we're doing in this timeframe, but I wanted to

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highlight a few things to get people thinking a little out of their box as they

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take regard to some of the things potentially we might do going into the future.

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>> So, you know, we are working with

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minority serving institution

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institutions in Florida like FIU which is one of the largest Hispanic

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universities in the country to explore how we bring in next generation into our

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workforce to tackle our kind of issues.

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>> And whether it's through interaction with them and supporting research, or

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fellowships

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with regard to those programs, I think some of the things that we need to think

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about as we go forward is how do we speak to the next generation of

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technologists and scientists that are doing our work?

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And how do we recognize the fact that social media platforms play a large role

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in the world of young professionals. We are exploring a little bit in our

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partner work with a not-for-profit

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that does symposiums that some of you may have attended at the waste management

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symposium. Historically, and

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young people are very integrated into the activities within that kind of

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meeting, and for them. And so, think that that's going to be one of our

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challenges as we go into the future, how we translate technical issues and

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direction into ways that speak

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to younger generation, young professionals, and also our social media platform

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family.

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So that's a challenge for us as we move forward that we are trying to tackle a

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little bit.

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>> Workers are important to us. Another example I will

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get to kind of where people's thoughts are is our workforce is important, we

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have over 30,000 contractors across the country that perform our cleanup mission

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, our cleanup work.

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One thing that I think we need to think about, and we're just

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tackling it in a little way, think we work with the University community at

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NASA to explore little bit about

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so, what does the work environment look like for cleanup worker going into the

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future? You know,

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so in some cases, we are exploring wearable robotics that people have to do

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repetitive kinds of functions, sampling, and/or verifying radiological care

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01:02:18.000 --> 01:02:27.000
services of a particular facility in areas before we do the cleanup of those

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particular areas. But, I think that if you kind of let your mind expand a

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little bit more, you can see where this is a potential area going into the

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future where you know, we all might learn and translate it

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into some new directions for us to go in, with the remediation area. Next

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slide. >> So that

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also highlights a little bit of the importance for us to work across federal

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agencies to

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tackle these kinds of issues and to leverage each other's activities. I think

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that one of the things that I've been really encouraged

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from this group, and from the discussions over the last two sessions, is the

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work that's being done on emergence and contaminants like FRTR

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. I think as a community, we have to work together. Have one voice with regard

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to the nature of the risks associated with PFAS and really share approaches ,

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technical approaches, communication approaches, so that we get consistency

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to build confidence with regard to the public

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, with regard to tackling these kinds of issues.

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>> If we all go to loan, don't think we will be as successful as if we were

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together as a community to tackle these kinds of issues. And that's

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just one example. But I think you heard from the others that there are numerous

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examples of situations where we're facing remediation

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at complex eyes, or we are facing remediation of sites where the current remedy

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isn't as effective, and isn't, or

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where we are kind of in the moment where we have to demonstrate you know, that

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monitoring natural attenuation is the way to

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do with things. The way that we communicate, and if we can can communicated

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across agencies in a consistent manner, I think that will be more powerful and

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so, the importance of this particular group, I think is really essential and

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critical as we go forward into the future to tackle these issues.

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>> So, the future

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has just a couple of suggestions we recommend. I know me and maybe out of the

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comfort zone for some of us.

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As we kind of move forward with things, but it may be a way to draw in new

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people, and new blood to the community. Think about how we expand our social

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media kind of outlets and products to speak to

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new members in the newer generation

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with regard to ideas. How might we do that? You know, it wasn't so long ago, we

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01:05:34.000 --> 01:05:37.000
felt we had to meet in person to transfer knowledge and information him and now

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01:05:37.000 --> 01:05:46.000
look at us. We're

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doing a webinar, lots of webinars driven by unit, the COVID-19 situation, but

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nonetheless, you know, it's something that we need to learn from going into the

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future. I think the new generations no and feel much more comfortable with those

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kind of media, so we need to learn from them and work with them to share lessons

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01:06:00.000 --> 01:06:05.000
learned, and move into the future ourselves.

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01:06:05.000 --> 01:06:08.000
>> Improvement of coordination and communication and this is been talked about

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before, but maybe in a little with

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different light. You know, maybe not so much the technical aspects of things,

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but thinking about how we

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say our messages, how we share things, what platforms we share them on, you

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know, might it be different that our traditional websites that we use? Does that

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speak to people? Might we do targeted webinars

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, where we are targeting students? Where we are targeting University folks,

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where we bring in students that are doing research for various programs to try

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and advance

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the thinking with regard to our fields? So this is just a few of our ideas, so

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I wanted to share those with you, thank you for this opportunity, and I do

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believe this group is very important, and I applaud the 30 years of effort that

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people have dedicated to this important in ever. Thank you.

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01:07:08.000 --> 01:07:16.000
>> Thank you, Mark.

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>> Our next panel list is Dr. Charles Murray's. Charles is an associate national

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program director with the U.S.

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EPA sustainability and healthy communities national research program. And,

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he focuses primarily on contaminant sites and analyzing waste products.

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Previously he was a fund and technology liaison to EPA region five out of

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Chicago for 16 years.

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In a project manager Senior ecologist, ecological risk assessor, Charles holds

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a PhD in environmental

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plate to biology from the University of Illinois

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, and an MS from Bowling Green State University, and

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APS from Eastern Illinois University. Charles, the floors yours.

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>>.

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>> Good afternoon everyone, good morning, wherever you may be. I want to start

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off with thinking PFAS

927
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for inviting me to speak about some of the advances

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in the sector of remediation technologies of the environmental protect agency

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and we are accomplishes through various research programs.

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>> Our program supports the

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PA land, mining, and waste

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support such as Superfund, Circle R

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Brownfields and underground storage. The contaminated site 's topic has

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research areas that address site

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remediation,

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salt and

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paper intrusion and underground storage tanks. And we have a vibrant technical

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support effort which connects our research, researchers, and EPA and state

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petitioners. Tran five

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[ Inaudible - static ] [ Indiscernible - overlapping Speakers ]

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>> In the short amount of time I have, going to focus on some reading nation

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technology, for contaminated groundwater remediation research namely,

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groundwater remediation for [ Indiscernible ] using rare earth elements and

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spaces for groundwater remediation. Some biochar, that in sort metals and mine

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01:09:58.000 --> 01:10:10.000
influence waters.

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An example of interagency collaboration to enhance groundwater

947
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remediation was provided by a Superfund site in New Jersey was had a

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recalcitrant arsenic plume for iron rich groundwater. It had costly

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treatment system had been operated for 10 years, and was determined to be

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unlikely to restore the aquifer within the recent bloom and period of time. Of

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collaboration efforts between the EPA office of research and development

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in region two out of the ring New York City and the Army Corps of Engineers, a

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large store pilot where there

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system was developed. This is a novel approach that can

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provide scale test, new chemical modeling and groundwater and soil remediation.

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This identified key processes and parameters controlling [ Inaudible - static ]

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that they were able to explode and create traditions for

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[ Inaudible - static ]. A successful polyp was used to optimize the design of a

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full-scale system and provide insight for designing air spark systems that other

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sites that actually impacted iron rich groundwater giving variable reactions.

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>> Because this collaborative effort can be be found [ Indiscernible - muffled ]

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listed on the slide.

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>> This was mentioned several times last week and then again, today.

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Performance needs to be evaluated,

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and this is something that most of us agree upon. This next case explains the

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technological advances in the rare earth elements as spectral tracers to

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evaluate long-term effect goodness of groundwater reading me Shane method is.

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We need to find out how well in situ

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rate mediation are performed over the long-term or even why it may have failed.

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Details for this can be found in the 2021

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article listed on the slide.

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>> Self customize biochar substrates in

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active water, represents yet another

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advance in remediation technology.

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[ No audio ].

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>> Chuck, I think you muted, there you go.

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>> Was I

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muted the whole time.

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>> Yeah, we just heard you start to talk about the biochar.

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>> Okay.

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>> I will go back up a little bit. Chuck,

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it looks like you were re-muted again. Hang on. If you could try to unmute.

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>> There we go.

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>> Granted

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IC on my computer that the mute sign keeps on popping up, but okay, so.

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Transcendent so what I'm going to do

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and I'm going to pop a button here, that I'm going to ask all my panelists and

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co-host in the background to make sure that their hands up in the air and away

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from the keyboard so that

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we make sure nobody is trying to end it certainly helped Charles. It looks like

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we are helped right now, we want to try to speak omelettes if we solve that

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problem for you.

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>> As I was saying, the use of that biochar, for polish mine influence water and

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bioreactors represents another advance in our remediation technology. If my

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affluence water is typically acidic and contains very high metals and sulfate

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concentrations

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conventional anaerobic bioreactors can frequently provide insufficient water

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amelioration for final discharge

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. However using customize biochar from Can-Am nations of carbonaceous material

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such as liquids, manure, or

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tight end, and adding it to the buyer reactive systems has been shown to

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successfully

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dilute to state benchmarks. Even for more difficult metals, to remove such a

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sink,

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and next slide please.

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>> We seem to be holding now. That's a good sign. [ Laughter ] to

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>> Last week somebody gave researchers the management of back diffusion

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to address groundwater system plumes.

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They conducted a empirical review of literature and the types of actions taken

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to connect that and they classified back fusion management office and classify

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them into four categories, and they are in the slide.

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>> Would cause difficulty, and performance, generally in increasing from left to

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right. The publisher say the 2021 groundwater

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01:16:08.000 --> 01:16:14.000
monitoring and

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01:16:14.000 --> 01:16:20.000
remediation article obviously indicated on the slide. They are

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advancing case studies to advance practical back

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diffusion. And the next light is my last lie.

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01:16:32.000 --> 01:16:42.000
>> I have provided the full references about IEP remediation as discussed.

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01:16:42.000 --> 01:16:47.000
And I also want to say a special thanks to Dr. Richard Wilkin of our ETA

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01:16:47.000 --> 01:16:53.000
, Oklahoma lab which is one of our renowned greater word searches anyway.

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01:16:53.000 --> 01:16:56.000
Thank you for your attention. And now back to

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Kent Glover.

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01:16:59.000 --> 01:17:02.000
>> Thank you, Charles.

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01:17:02.000 --> 01:17:12.000
>> Our next panels, is

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Gunarti Coghlan, he is an environmental engineer the environment is ration

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01:17:15.000 --> 01:17:18.000
division

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01:17:18.000 --> 01:17:21.000
, Sheila's initiative to promote innovative technologies and remedy

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01:17:21.000 --> 01:17:26.000
optimization within the Navy's environmental restoration program.

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01:17:26.000 --> 01:17:31.000
Her experience includes management, design, and implementation of remediation

1030
01:17:31.000 --> 01:17:37.000
activities under Circle R and she received her BS in chemical engineering, and

1031
01:17:37.000 --> 01:17:54.000
and I know I'm going to butcher this, [ Indiscernible ]

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01:17:54.000 --> 01:17:57.000
[ Indiscernible ], and there we go, and glad you said it. In Indonesia. And her

1033
01:17:57.000 --> 01:18:00.000
MS degree is from environmental site is from Colorado school of mines which I'm

1034
01:18:00.000 --> 01:18:03.000
better at saying and know well. [ Laughter ]

1035
01:18:03.000 --> 01:18:05.000
>> She's a registered professional engineer in the state of Virginia, and

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01:18:05.000 --> 01:18:08.000
Gunarti welcome.

1037
01:18:08.000 --> 01:18:11.000
>> Thank you, thank you everyone. Good morning. Good afternoon, and good evening

1038
01:18:11.000 --> 01:18:19.000
and certainly, it's my pleasure and honor to be part of 30 years said ablation

1039
01:18:19.000 --> 01:18:30.000
of PFAS . I remember the first time I came into the environmental restoration. I

1040
01:18:30.000 --> 01:18:33.000
used technology matrixes at PFAS , and it's quite

1041
01:18:33.000 --> 01:18:39.000
a lifeline for me. So,

1042
01:18:39.000 --> 01:18:43.000
certainly it is an honor for me to be part of it.

1043
01:18:43.000 --> 01:19:01.000
>> So anyway, I am going to touch base on

1044
01:19:01.000 --> 01:19:04.000
NAVFAC capabilities. For those who are familiar with NAVFAC, we basically

1045
01:19:04.000 --> 01:19:11.000
execute and manage

1046
01:19:11.000 --> 01:19:15.000
the environmental restoration program for all the panelists

1047
01:19:15.000 --> 01:19:20.000
, the Department of Navy sites, as part of our

1048
01:19:20.000 --> 01:19:31.000
historical operation under CERCLA.

1049
01:19:31.000 --> 01:19:37.000
NAVFAC headquarters both manage the active installation sites, we have about

1050
01:19:37.000 --> 01:19:43.000
400, 500,000 under active

1051
01:19:43.000 --> 01:19:48.000
isolation. So, talking about the inducers technologies,

1052
01:19:48.000 --> 01:19:50.000
we are it, basically. So

1053
01:19:50.000 --> 01:19:56.000
next slide.

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01:19:56.000 --> 01:19:59.000
>> So, as part of the leadership panel, last week

1055
01:19:59.000 --> 01:20:07.000
the focus areas basically

1056
01:20:07.000 --> 01:20:14.000
that providers with challenges for programs are emerging

1057
01:20:14.000 --> 01:20:16.000
chemicals of concerns. Same as everyone else. And also emergent performance,

1058
01:20:16.000 --> 01:20:30.000
and in this case

1059
01:20:30.000 --> 01:20:34.000
PFAS, vapor intrusion and lead. And the second category are the lingering

1060
01:20:34.000 --> 01:20:42.000
groundwater pollutants where we have operated

1061
01:20:42.000 --> 01:20:48.000
remediation systems, and active remediation systems actually

1062
01:20:48.000 --> 01:20:56.000
concentrates for decades. And we are not anywhere near reaching our goals.

1063
01:20:56.000 --> 01:21:02.000
In the complex site categories, we also have underwater remediation sites. And,

1064
01:21:02.000 --> 01:21:10.000
I'm not really forgetting about the

1065
01:21:10.000 --> 01:21:18.000
low risk sites. Because we have hundreds of low risk sites. In particular,

1066
01:21:18.000 --> 01:21:22.000
petroleum sites where we keep extracting products. And we haven't seen

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01:21:22.000 --> 01:21:28.000
any strategy to

1068
01:21:28.000 --> 01:21:32.000
bring the slides to closure, but also to. Under this category also, hundreds of

1069
01:21:32.000 --> 01:21:37.000
landfill sites where we put in place caps, and

1070
01:21:37.000 --> 01:21:40.000
we keep reforming monitoring for decades.

1071
01:21:40.000 --> 01:21:45.000
So, with this focus area,

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01:21:45.000 --> 01:21:50.000
what we are doing exactly in our program to

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01:21:50.000 --> 01:21:57.000
identify, provoke, and also implement

1074
01:21:57.000 --> 01:22:03.000
innovative technologies? Well, we have a combination of paths basically

1075
01:22:03.000 --> 01:22:06.000
, integrated effort starting with our own communities and just so everyone is

1076
01:22:06.000 --> 01:22:11.000
familiar

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01:22:11.000 --> 01:22:14.000
the Department of the Navy, and the Department of restoration program

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01:22:14.000 --> 01:22:19.000
communities, those

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01:22:19.000 --> 01:22:24.000
are part of the community members, we have our leadership

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01:22:24.000 --> 01:22:33.000
managers, remedial project managers who are really familiar with the site

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01:22:33.000 --> 01:22:40.000
characteristics, with the contamination, with the site requirements. Also

1082
01:22:40.000 --> 01:22:48.000
subject matter experts who are out from our two technology

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01:22:48.000 --> 01:22:54.000
experts. And also SMEs, but those are very important,

1084
01:22:54.000 --> 01:23:01.000
those are our community of contractors, because contractors are the ones with

1085
01:23:01.000 --> 01:23:10.000
the day-to-day knowledge, and involvement at the sites. So, we integrate the

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01:23:10.000 --> 01:23:15.000
need and identification of technology innovation through our community.

1087
01:23:15.000 --> 01:23:21.000
We put it through our execution, have our

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01:23:21.000 --> 01:23:25.000
PMs, examinees, contractors, do work

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01:23:25.000 --> 01:23:30.000
which I'm going to test based on a little bit later, to work together to

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01:23:30.000 --> 01:23:33.000
identify what the site needs, and what's available out there through out the DOD

1091
01:23:33.000 --> 01:23:39.000
effort

1092
01:23:39.000 --> 01:23:47.000
outside DOD such as EPA, IDT RC,

1093
01:23:47.000 --> 01:23:53.000
certain TSC P, and our own strategic investment and also our own

1094
01:23:53.000 --> 01:24:00.000
quote, unquote are in the program. So, I mentioned

1095
01:24:00.000 --> 01:24:10.000
strategic program investments for portfolio wide aims.

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01:24:10.000 --> 01:24:15.000
. For example, for portfolio Y aims, we put investment in this tree

1097
01:24:15.000 --> 01:24:21.000
meant for IDW for example, and then strengthening

1098
01:24:21.000 --> 01:24:26.000
the case for M&A, we have really many sites with a

1099
01:24:26.000 --> 01:24:33.000
M&A per approach, but we need to figure out what the transition point is for

1100
01:24:33.000 --> 01:24:38.000
for those sites. And then, our sites are located on the shore, because we are

1101
01:24:38.000 --> 01:24:45.000
like Navy installations, so our groundwater,

1102
01:24:45.000 --> 01:24:49.000
contaminated groundwater plumes, the majority of them actually

1103
01:24:49.000 --> 01:24:52.000
discharge into surface water. So, how do we actually handle those? So, that's

1104
01:24:52.000 --> 01:25:00.000
also a portfolio wide theme that we re: invested in.

1105
01:25:00.000 --> 01:25:05.000
>> Closer strategy on petroleum sites, and then lastly sorting technology

1106
01:25:05.000 --> 01:25:08.000
for co-mingled munition in the low level

1107
01:25:08.000 --> 01:25:16.000
radiological contaminants.

1108
01:25:16.000 --> 01:25:26.000
>> So we leverage NES DI, that is

1109
01:25:26.000 --> 01:25:29.000
naval environmental sustainability development implementation program. It is

1110
01:25:29.000 --> 01:25:34.000
about five to $6 million annually with the mission of demonstrating validating,

1111
01:25:34.000 --> 01:25:37.000
integrating, and evaluating technologies

1112
01:25:37.000 --> 01:25:42.000
, processes, materials to minimize

1113
01:25:42.000 --> 01:25:45.000
operational environmental risk, constraints, and cost while at the same time

1114
01:25:45.000 --> 01:25:50.000
supporting readiness.

1115
01:25:50.000 --> 01:25:55.000
>> Lastly we also leverage DOD, such as

1116
01:25:55.000 --> 01:26:02.000
[ Indiscernible ] so

1117
01:26:02.000 --> 01:26:07.000
our colleague

1118
01:26:07.000 --> 01:26:13.000
and colleagues from DLA, we

1119
01:26:13.000 --> 01:26:16.000
stood up tri-service remediation optimization work group a couple of years ago.

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01:26:16.000 --> 01:26:19.000
I think that's also a good for him

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01:26:19.000 --> 01:26:33.000
to read by.

1122
01:26:33.000 --> 01:26:39.000
>> Gunarti, just to give you a quick challenge check

1123
01:26:39.000 --> 01:26:42.000
we have just a few minutes let.

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01:26:42.000 --> 01:26:45.000
>> Okay.

1125
01:26:45.000 --> 01:26:47.000
>> Okay, we have a focus of optimization technology innovation group. We focus

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01:26:47.000 --> 01:26:50.000
on having a balanced performance, sustainability, and schedule, and this is

1127
01:26:50.000 --> 01:26:58.000
where we incorporate potential climate change

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01:26:58.000 --> 01:27:01.000
impact and we can log that as part of long-term efficiency and evaluation of a

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01:27:01.000 --> 01:27:08.000
remedy. Technology and knowledge transfer, that is an important theme that is

1130
01:27:08.000 --> 01:27:11.000
been echoed through out this seminar. And, I'm going to show you our

1131
01:27:11.000 --> 01:27:19.000
strategic investment through

1132
01:27:19.000 --> 01:27:23.000
NESDI, so you should can see, the proportion of our investments are pretty much

1133
01:27:23.000 --> 01:27:27.000
on the same

1134
01:27:27.000 --> 01:27:33.000
proportion for

1135
01:27:33.000 --> 01:27:37.000
strategic investment and NESDI.

1136
01:27:37.000 --> 01:27:43.000
>> So this is an example of

1137
01:27:43.000 --> 01:27:49.000
one of our strategic investments in low risk petroleum sites.

1138
01:27:49.000 --> 01:27:55.000
We categorize our petroleum sites, and come up with recommendations on

1139
01:27:55.000 --> 01:27:59.000
how to move that forward. And, we are definitely

1140
01:27:59.000 --> 01:28:06.000
like to work with all of the stakeholders and the regulators to somewhat

1141
01:28:06.000 --> 01:28:13.000
implement what we find out in this strategic investment.

1142
01:28:13.000 --> 01:28:19.000
>> One thing that's important, how we

1143
01:28:19.000 --> 01:28:27.000
overcome barriers to innovation is improving the pace. Andrea mentioned that it

1144
01:28:27.000 --> 01:28:32.000
takes quite a few years to have a technology

1145
01:28:32.000 --> 01:28:37.000
from the proof of concept to

1146
01:28:37.000 --> 01:28:53.000
field ready validation. And as you can see,

1147
01:28:53.000 --> 01:28:56.000
SERDP and ESTCP takes 2 to 4 years, and NUSDI takes 2 to 4 years, and the one

1148
01:28:56.000 --> 01:29:03.000
that is already ready for full scam station,

1149
01:29:03.000 --> 01:29:10.000
and then we expedite those in the program strategic investment. So

1150
01:29:10.000 --> 01:29:16.000
where FRTR can provide value , we think that if FRTR

1151
01:29:16.000 --> 01:29:22.000
as Dr. Houlihan mentioned earlier, that 11 agencies are collaborating infive.

1152
01:29:22.000 --> 01:29:30.000
So I think that would be perfect and perfect form to have the

1153
01:29:30.000 --> 01:29:33.000
technology clearinghouse where FRTR, and every member of FRTR can actually

1154
01:29:33.000 --> 01:29:41.000
contribute what they have implemented, what let lessons were learned, how much

1155
01:29:41.000 --> 01:29:48.000
the costs and the performance, and then somewhat pool everything and have

1156
01:29:48.000 --> 01:29:51.000
Gunarti maintain a clearinghouse. And therefore, we all can reap the benefit

1157
01:29:51.000 --> 01:30:00.000
into the investment.

1158
01:30:00.000 --> 01:30:03.000
>> These are the lists of our strategic investment projects coming up in FY 21.

1159
01:30:03.000 --> 01:30:11.000
As you can see,

1160
01:30:11.000 --> 01:30:14.000
from previous strategic investment, we were able to actually develop this

1161
01:30:14.000 --> 01:30:16.000
mobile treatment for

1162
01:30:16.000 --> 01:30:23.000
PFAS

1163
01:30:23.000 --> 01:30:28.000
IDW treatment. That will be implemented in couple of art in

1164
01:30:28.000 --> 01:30:36.000
insulation in our projects. And

1165
01:30:36.000 --> 01:30:42.000
we have been so far using the whole building mitigation. We would like to see

1166
01:30:42.000 --> 01:30:45.000
on tri-preferential pathways to isolate and then have a smaller scale

1167
01:30:45.000 --> 01:30:50.000
mitigation

1168
01:30:50.000 --> 01:30:52.000
. The petroleum set I mentioned earlier, and then also strengthening the line of

1169
01:30:52.000 --> 01:30:59.000
evidence for

1170
01:30:59.000 --> 01:31:02.000
more mature natural attenuation. So with that, I will turn it back to Kent.

1171
01:31:02.000 --> 01:31:10.000
>> Thank you very much

1172
01:31:10.000 --> 01:31:13.000
, and our final panelists is Jeffrey Davis. I have the pleasure of making with

1173
01:31:13.000 --> 01:31:17.000
the man

1174
01:31:17.000 --> 01:31:20.000
on a daily basis it is a program manager and engineer specialist for the Air

1175
01:31:20.000 --> 01:31:24.000
Force's civil engineer social, his BAA program

1176
01:31:24.000 --> 01:31:28.000
demonstrates and validates innovative, sustainable cost-effective technologies

1177
01:31:28.000 --> 01:31:33.000
and methodologies leading toward more efficient and effective

1178
01:31:33.000 --> 01:31:38.000
remediation of sites across the Air Force. He has 28 years of federal service,

1179
01:31:38.000 --> 01:31:42.000
10 years as a researcher, with the Army Corps of Engineers, and ate with the

1180
01:31:42.000 --> 01:31:45.000
higher me environmental command as a program manager. And about 2016 he joined

1181
01:31:45.000 --> 01:31:53.000
ASCAP,

1182
01:31:53.000 --> 01:31:56.000
he holds a BS from the University of Texas, and MS and PhD in environmental

1183
01:31:56.000 --> 01:31:59.000
engineering from the University of Houston. He did a bit of postdoc work at John

1184
01:31:59.000 --> 01:32:01.000
Hopkins. Jeff, it's all yours.

1185
01:32:01.000 --> 01:32:07.000
>>'s Mac tank you can.

1186
01:32:07.000 --> 01:32:13.000
>> What is the Air Force restoration BAA? It is modeled

1187
01:32:13.000 --> 01:32:18.000
like Ondrea's program at TSC P.

1188
01:32:18.000 --> 01:32:26.000
Our job is a little different, one thing that we really like to get emphasizes

1189
01:32:26.000 --> 01:32:33.000
how do we overcome that valley of death issue, so we have kind of implemented

1190
01:32:33.000 --> 01:32:38.000
some policies and guidance on how to move forward in pushing these out so we

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01:32:38.000 --> 01:32:41.000
don't get immortalized and remain at the insulation basically continuing on with

1192
01:32:41.000 --> 01:32:47.000
the base contractor for

1193
01:32:47.000 --> 01:32:52.000
continuing this technologies as they move forward.

1194
01:32:52.000 --> 01:32:55.000
>> Our program really, has got to focus areas. One is called a legacy

1195
01:32:55.000 --> 01:32:58.000
issue, high-resolution site characterization, and we realize we have several

1196
01:32:58.000 --> 01:33:01.000
sites that are out there

1197
01:33:01.000 --> 01:33:06.000
. It's mature program, several sites basically are recalcitrant once, they've

1198
01:33:06.000 --> 01:33:11.000
either have competing contaminant, contaminants, or

1199
01:33:11.000 --> 01:33:20.000
difficult genealogies to deal with. So, essentially we are

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01:33:20.000 --> 01:33:23.000
and have a mediated them enough that the conceptual site model is changed

1201
01:33:23.000 --> 01:33:27.000
significantly. So we found out we were using a lot of titles and site

1202
01:33:27.000 --> 01:33:31.000
characterization so we started developing a series so we can evaluate some of

1203
01:33:31.000 --> 01:33:36.000
these technologies that are out there, and put them

1204
01:33:36.000 --> 01:33:42.000
together. And I will talk about one project that we are finalizing right now.

1205
01:33:42.000 --> 01:33:49.000
It is very happy, and the other is, yes, we

1206
01:33:49.000 --> 01:33:52.000
PFAS remediation, I like to tell people we do more than just PFAS remediation,

1207
01:33:52.000 --> 01:33:55.000
we have our legacy issues that were dealing with.

1208
01:33:55.000 --> 01:34:00.000
>> What's the process? First of all I'd like to make a little news here. The BAA

1209
01:34:00.000 --> 01:34:04.000
is finally out on the street.

1210
01:34:04.000 --> 01:34:07.000
The dates listed on this are very aspirational this year, but the DNA

1211
01:34:07.000 --> 01:34:14.000
announcement was published at

1212
01:34:14.000 --> 01:34:18.000
beta Sam on Friday, so those that are interested, can go there and take a look

1213
01:34:18.000 --> 01:34:25.000
and take a look at the statement of need

1214
01:34:25.000 --> 01:34:29.000
. But essentially, the where process works is we go to our practitioners at the

1215
01:34:29.000 --> 01:34:32.000
bases, and our program management, and asked them what their issues are problem

1216
01:34:32.000 --> 01:34:39.000
is, this helps us out because

1217
01:34:39.000 --> 01:34:44.000
they really have a lot more buy-in into any of the projects that get awarded

1218
01:34:44.000 --> 01:34:47.000
because they've asked for these projects. The and, and like I mentioned, is very

1219
01:34:47.000 --> 01:34:53.000
similar to the a STC process.

1220
01:34:53.000 --> 01:34:57.000
And the other thing that we are doing, is at the phase one proposal stage,

1221
01:34:57.000 --> 01:35:04.000
a lot of projects may come in without a

1222
01:35:04.000 --> 01:35:09.000
base that they are partnering with, and at this point, we will try to

1223
01:35:09.000 --> 01:35:15.000
get the CCO, which is the base level folks which is the program management

1224
01:35:15.000 --> 01:35:24.000
people in peer them up this proposal so that, first of all, we get the best

1225
01:35:24.000 --> 01:35:27.000
folks at the base behind the project and wanted to go forward even beyond then

1226
01:35:27.000 --> 01:35:31.000
asking from some of these. And then CCR

1227
01:35:31.000 --> 01:35:33.000
the programs, they will realize that this is going on, they can program for

1228
01:35:33.000 --> 01:35:39.000
featured years or,

1229
01:35:39.000 --> 01:35:42.000
any modifications that the contracting needs to be done once his project is

1230
01:35:42.000 --> 01:35:52.000
over and we keep it going forward.

1231
01:35:52.000 --> 01:35:56.000
>> We pass about yourself, and as our aspirational goal is to reward in July and

1232
01:35:56.000 --> 01:35:59.000
August, and we're probably not to make that, but we will make it by the end of

1233
01:35:59.000 --> 01:36:02.000
September.

1234
01:36:02.000 --> 01:36:06.000
>> Two statements of these are out there, the first one is FRTR , PFAS, and it's

1235
01:36:06.000 --> 01:36:09.000
a statement of need, if you're interested in that you can look that up at beta

1236
01:36:09.000 --> 01:36:13.000
Sam. The other is

1237
01:36:13.000 --> 01:36:16.000
the site characterization specifically for an installation

1238
01:36:16.000 --> 01:36:23.000
at one site at Columbus Air Force Base.

1239
01:36:23.000 --> 01:36:32.000
>> I'd like to talk about basically to of these projects. We have several

1240
01:36:32.000 --> 01:36:44.000
PFAS remediation projects and a couple of legacy issue once. First the

1241
01:36:44.000 --> 01:36:47.000
legacy issue one the highlighted station site characterization and guidance

1242
01:36:47.000 --> 01:36:50.000
demonstration. You notice we had a lot of projects using this in the technology

1243
01:36:50.000 --> 01:36:53.000
is changing rapidly new systems are coming on, HBT, Waterloo, MIP, there are

1244
01:36:53.000 --> 01:36:56.000
numerous of those. And so we question someone to put together a compendium and

1245
01:36:56.000 --> 01:36:59.000
guidance on how to do high resolution

1246
01:36:59.000 --> 01:37:04.000
site characterization.

1247
01:37:04.000 --> 01:37:14.000
>> And CDM Smith did that for us, and also, the developed a tool where

1248
01:37:14.000 --> 01:37:17.000
you can go and basically, put your DQ oaths that you require, and it will

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generate a list of the tools that are available. And, basically the operator of

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that, then goes through and basically does a cell and in the D check to make

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sure it it makes sense to use that in and splits into two tools that do the same

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thing, so you can throw that away. We demonstrated that technology had an Air

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01:37:36.000 --> 01:37:38.000
Force insulation provided a lot of useful information for redeveloping their

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conceptual site model.

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>> The other one is the third one on the PFAS there, enhance contractor lecture

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will just

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charge plasma reactor for destruction of PFAS discounts.

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This was to handle a very specific Air Force problem. And that was how do we

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01:38:01.000 --> 01:38:04.000
get rid of our IDW, we had a lot of SIs completing, and we didn't know how to

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get rid of the

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PFAS contaminated water sitting in drums for a while. So with that we better do

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develop the technology or process to destroy the PFAS insight EW for the

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upcoming our eyes. This project right now has been transitioned to our

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operations directorate down

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at Tyndale under the NDC EE program.

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>> Next slide. That maybe it.

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>> Yet. And I will pass it back to Kent.

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>> Thanks, Jeff.

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>> I want to thank our panelists for the presentations today, and to keep this

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thing short and close to on time I will now

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pass the baton back to Jean M. Balent, U.S. EPA 

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>> What thank you very much, Kent, so we are about to go into our break

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over to you and I will keep working to and our panelists in on the screen.

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>> Very good, thank you Jean.

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>> A few opening remarks and presentations by Doctors Gallegos and Henry, and

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all the panelists have highlighted dark current challenges, needs, barriers,

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01:39:22.000 --> 01:39:26.000
initiatives for advancing technology and new science. Broadly speaking, it seems

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01:39:26.000 --> 01:39:31.000
that the topics fall into two broad categories.

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01:39:31.000 --> 01:39:37.000
One is the specific advances in science and engineering that could lead to

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01:39:37.000 --> 01:39:41.000
more effective site characterization and cleanup, and the second category is

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topics along the lines of resources for men

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01:39:48.000 --> 01:39:53.000
communication and resource exchange and collaboration for fostering advances in

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remediation technology for large-scale use.

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>> The topics in the first category of going to help FRTR identify objectives

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01:40:03.000 --> 01:40:08.000
such as needs of web content and

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01:40:08.000 --> 01:40:12.000
tech transfer activities. But today I want to focus our panel discussion on the

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second category. Resources and mechanisms for information exchange categories.

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01:40:18.000 --> 01:40:26.000
So, and I want to, just to get the discussion started, I want to

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start by addressing the valley of death is you that a couple of folks raised

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last week and again here today.

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I hope that it will prompt some interesting ideas and questions from our panel,

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01:40:40.000 --> 01:40:44.000
but also from our audience attending the webinar today. And I suspect

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01:40:44.000 --> 01:40:47.000
that we'll transition the discussion to the broader discussion of technology

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01:40:47.000 --> 01:40:50.000
transfer information exchange and specifically how FRTR might foster that

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interagency collaboration.

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>> Soviet

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01:41:01.000 --> 01:41:10.000
, let's start with the valley of death situation, much as we discussed in

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01:41:10.000 --> 01:41:14.000
ourfive meeting focuses on recent progress and case studies related to

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01:41:14.000 --> 01:41:23.000
development, testing, and evaluation of innovative science technology and

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01:41:23.000 --> 01:41:28.000
technical approaches is for site cleanup. This is an effort intended to help

1344
01:41:28.000 --> 01:41:31.000
a much larger group of remediation professionals and agencies that are tasked

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01:41:31.000 --> 01:41:36.000
that with meeting site-specific

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01:41:36.000 --> 01:41:46.000
cleanup goals and closing sites. This larger group of quote unquote introducers

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01:41:46.000 --> 01:41:49.000
is really not adverse to innovative science technology, however they need to

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01:41:49.000 --> 01:41:54.000
know the risks of deploying

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01:41:54.000 --> 01:41:58.000
unlimited funds for resources and innovation will provide some reasonable and

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01:41:58.000 --> 01:42:01.000
demonstrable if it when applied to full-scale cleanup

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01:42:01.000 --> 01:42:03.000
activities at the sites.

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01:42:03.000 --> 01:42:08.000
>> Really advancing

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01:42:08.000 --> 01:42:11.000
science and technology is secondary, they are more interested in acceptable

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01:42:11.000 --> 01:42:20.000
practical applications, not science

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01:42:20.000 --> 01:42:22.000
projects. So with that preamble, I'm going to ask a couple of our panelists

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first, I will start with maybe

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01:42:33.000 --> 01:42:40.000
Gunarti, and then follow up with Mark from the DOE?

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How is your agency applying these new technologies and what has been the

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01:42:44.000 --> 01:42:53.000
successes? And if you would start the discussion,

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01:42:53.000 --> 01:42:56.000
Gunarti, and then Mark I'm curious to see what you have, you have close

1361
01:42:56.000 --> 01:43:08.000
relationships with a lot of laughs, so I'm curious to hear about that. Gunarti.

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01:43:08.000 --> 01:43:11.000
>> Thank you. I would like for everyone to know, that I have two SMEs with me.

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[ Inaudible - static ]

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they both are very familiar with technologies and their application to our

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01:43:22.000 --> 01:43:26.000
program, however, the first thing is as I mentioned, the pace of transitioning

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01:43:26.000 --> 01:43:33.000
of technologies is very critical.

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01:43:33.000 --> 01:43:40.000
Granted, that each technology needs to go through thorough

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01:43:40.000 --> 01:43:46.000
proof of concept, demonstration, and validation before they are ready for field

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01:43:46.000 --> 01:43:52.000
scale application. However, our need

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01:43:52.000 --> 01:43:55.000
is right now. So, as I mentioned in my presentation earlier, we have a

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01:43:55.000 --> 01:44:00.000
staggered approach, basically. So, we leverage

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01:44:00.000 --> 01:44:08.000
what startup, the

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01:44:08.000 --> 01:44:14.000
SEP provides us and what the EPA provides the D.O.

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01:44:14.000 --> 01:44:22.000
a, and what the

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01:44:22.000 --> 01:44:27.000
technology needs, the department of nates

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01:44:27.000 --> 01:44:37.000
Navy needs, or we can put it into the

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01:44:37.000 --> 01:44:40.000
NESDI, and the strategic investment has been proven to accelerate the pace of

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01:44:40.000 --> 01:44:47.000
transitioning between the validation

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, and it is shortened the validation timeframe and we are able to somewhat

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01:44:51.000 --> 01:44:57.000
address specific focus areas.

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Such examples as I mentioned earlier, we are able to develop a mobile treatment

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01:45:01.000 --> 01:45:05.000
from small-scale

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01:45:05.000 --> 01:45:15.000
, medium scale, and large-scale purchasing

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01:45:15.000 --> 01:45:17.000
PFAS IDW generated at our site. In fact we are going to try those at a few

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01:45:17.000 --> 01:45:27.000
sites

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01:45:27.000 --> 01:45:31.000
with measurable outcomes where we can actually expose the treated water to a

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01:45:31.000 --> 01:45:35.000
non-has facility. The second success example,

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01:45:35.000 --> 01:45:40.000
is the petroleum sites. They are

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01:45:40.000 --> 01:45:44.000
low risk petroleum sites where we are able to somewhat categorize our petroleum

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01:45:44.000 --> 01:45:51.000
sites and then, chart

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01:45:51.000 --> 01:45:55.000
the path forward for each type. And we are actually going to walk the process,

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01:45:55.000 --> 01:46:02.000
and use the process

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01:46:02.000 --> 01:46:06.000
at two sites, and hopefully we can work with the regulators

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01:46:06.000 --> 01:46:15.000
to close the sites. So, I think

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knowledge and lessened learned sharing

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is very helpful. I hope that FRTR can meet that requirement. Kent. Okay,

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01:46:29.000 --> 01:46:36.000
Gunarti, Mark do you have any thoughts on this question mark

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01:46:36.000 --> 01:46:43.000
>> Unit, the valley of death, and how in your agency you are

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01:46:43.000 --> 01:46:54.000
trying to demonstrate to end-users the utility and value of new innovations.

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01:46:54.000 --> 01:47:06.000
>> So, I think that transfers due to her problems that is

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01:47:06.000 --> 01:47:09.000
really important and some of our liabilities are so large that we can do a

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01:47:09.000 --> 01:47:13.000
technology poll into that particular environment to help reduce costs and risks

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01:47:13.000 --> 01:47:17.000
this would be associated with.

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01:47:17.000 --> 01:47:20.000
We have worked with you guys, and the whole community, unit, decades ago to two

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01:47:20.000 --> 01:47:28.000
Baycol's for very

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01:47:28.000 --> 01:47:37.000
various technologies to deal with organic

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01:47:37.000 --> 01:47:50.000
DNAPL that that kind of thing.

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01:47:50.000 --> 01:47:53.000
Some of the sites are so large, we are willing to invest monies to pull

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01:47:53.000 --> 01:47:56.000
technologies into potentially address that. And we're also willing to support

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01:47:56.000 --> 01:47:58.000
development of research and development technologies with the national labs to

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01:47:58.000 --> 01:48:05.000
try and explore new advances

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01:48:05.000 --> 01:48:08.000
. You know, the examples and I think some of the things we have to look at going

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01:48:08.000 --> 01:48:11.000
into the future is, we know enough about a contaminant so that we can absorb the

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01:48:11.000 --> 01:48:15.000
material in a barrier

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01:48:15.000 --> 01:48:22.000
, whether that's injected into the subsurface or not, you know, maybe we need

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01:48:22.000 --> 01:48:26.000
to explore unit, doing that, and then apply remediation monitoring technologies

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01:48:26.000 --> 01:48:31.000
to demonstrate

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01:48:31.000 --> 01:48:37.000
that that technology works. So, I guess

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01:48:37.000 --> 01:48:40.000
it's so big with some

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01:48:40.000 --> 01:48:43.000
problems, we can afford to experiment a little bit because it's such large

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01:48:43.000 --> 01:48:46.000
target frames. I'll stop there. That's

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something we can talk about four hours.

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>> Yes. Absolutely so.

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01:48:58.000 --> 01:49:01.000
I am hearing that it's a conscious effort at a national level, really two

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01:49:01.000 --> 01:49:04.000
programs with substantial funds into innovation and innovation

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01:49:04.000 --> 01:49:06.000
technologies.

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01:49:06.000 --> 01:49:09.000
>> And the national laboratories, for those of you that are familiar with this

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01:49:09.000 --> 01:49:12.000
have lab direct research programs where they can focus dollars you know, on

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01:49:12.000 --> 01:49:18.000
cutting-edge

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01:49:18.000 --> 01:49:23.000
kind of innovative approaches to tackling things depending on the science.

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01:49:23.000 --> 01:49:28.000
>> So, we have literally hundreds of millions of dollars that the labs

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01:49:28.000 --> 01:49:33.000
can afford to invest in some of those things. But you've got to make your need

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01:49:33.000 --> 01:49:36.000
known so they can apply

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01:49:36.000 --> 01:50:06.000
the cutting-edge science

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01:50:15.000 --> 01:50:15.000
to it, what might be coming down the pike.>> Okay, that's a good footprint. And will end on that very point. So, I'm goingto flip to the verily other end of the pipeline so to speak, the technology

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01:50:15.000 --> 01:50:15.000
pipeline. And as Kevin Henry, andJeff Plumlee to weigh in on what they see as the issues and challenges of the"Valley of death,"

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01:50:15.000 --> 01:50:21.000
issues that they are addressing for this need for develop

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meant of full-scale innovative techniques and so on.

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>> Heather.

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>> I think to a certain extent, it's a mission boundary for us, we are a basic

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01:50:29.000 --> 01:50:36.000
research and pretty to groom. So, we want to maintain that

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01:50:36.000 --> 01:50:39.000
final science focus, that's very important to us. Let's face it, we can develop

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01:50:39.000 --> 01:50:43.000
how the technology works, but it does get applied in the field. So, that is you,

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01:50:43.000 --> 01:50:46.000
always going to be our focus. We do not dissipate in that small business

1445
01:50:46.000 --> 01:50:54.000
innovative research program. There are lots of examples where technologies have

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01:50:54.000 --> 01:50:58.000
come from academic labs, some of them even a part of our program that

1447
01:50:58.000 --> 01:51:04.000
transitioned into either phase one or phase two SBIR, and that is

1448
01:51:04.000 --> 01:51:09.000
giving an investigator approximately to the level that they are ready for

1449
01:51:09.000 --> 01:51:15.000
upscaling, and pilot testing I would even say. But, in terms of large term

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01:51:15.000 --> 01:51:21.000
field scale applications, and the iterative approach, maybe,

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01:51:21.000 --> 01:51:29.000
they can try that one side, but not multiple sites. And so, it just extends

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01:51:29.000 --> 01:51:59.000
beyond what our program is able to support. So, and then, I think also there's

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01:52:13.000 --> 01:52:13.000
-- That I mentioned in the presentation, just the opportunities you maybe have aroadmap to have an investigator know about programs aboutWarren was talking about a DOD, knowing who to talk attack, and establish a

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01:52:13.000 --> 01:52:13.000
network along those lines and something like that is helpful but. So I will passit off to Jeff.>> Go ahead Jeff.

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01:52:13.000 --> 01:52:13.000
>> Jeff, Plumley?>> Yep, I was unmute. [ Laughter ]>> Now I'm off mute

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01:52:13.000 --> 01:52:14.000
>> I just wanted to stress that the U.S. justice, is not an engineering

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01:52:14.000 --> 01:52:22.000
organization, so again, we don't really do active remediation design.

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01:52:22.000 --> 01:52:25.000
But, one place where we can help, and have helped that a number sites that are

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01:52:25.000 --> 01:52:31.000
under remediation, that we can apply our knowledge of site hydrology, hydrology

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01:52:31.000 --> 01:52:35.000
Geo chemical processes, things like that, to actually get a better idea of

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01:52:35.000 --> 01:52:43.000
whether a proposed remediation action might work

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01:52:43.000 --> 01:52:46.000
, and what we can bring to the table to help understand is something more likely

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01:52:46.000 --> 01:53:16.000
to

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01:53:25.000 --> 01:53:25.000
succeed or not based on our knowledge of all those different aspects of thesite. In the processes, that a controlling itare all on the site, but in terms of developing a specific engineering method,

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01:53:25.000 --> 01:53:25.000
that's not our bailiwick.>> Unit, we have to base our technologies on our science too, so exactly.>> Let's move on then. I'm curious, and our goal here in this

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01:53:25.000 --> 01:53:27.000
meeting is really trying to pat forward

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01:53:27.000 --> 01:53:35.000
floor FRTR over the years, so if there are specific acts of entities that

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01:53:35.000 --> 01:53:38.000
FRTR can overtake. Some successes, we've all had some various stages of

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01:53:38.000 --> 01:53:48.000
addressing this valley of death issue. So what are some specific activities that

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01:53:48.000 --> 01:53:51.000
FRTR can undertake, let's have a specific conversation about that to leverage

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01:53:51.000 --> 01:53:55.000
your agencies successes and also to perhaps help your agency out in addressing

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01:53:55.000 --> 01:53:58.000
their limitations in creating this move pipeline from

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01:53:58.000 --> 01:54:03.000
R&D to full-scale and broad

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01:54:03.000 --> 01:54:08.000
commercialization's. Maybe I will start with and are, because

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01:54:08.000 --> 01:54:10.000
I just like to hear what you have to think, what your thoughts are about the

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01:54:10.000 --> 01:54:13.000
role of FRTR in assisting this.

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01:54:13.000 --> 01:54:19.000
>> I'm going to backup just a little bit to come up

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01:54:19.000 --> 01:54:23.000
>> I want to make the point that GSE CP was created to address the Valley of

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01:54:23.000 --> 01:54:30.000
death issue.

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It is a demonstration of the Valley of death program, it's been extremely

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01:54:34.000 --> 01:54:37.000
difficult for a technology to come out of an R and D phase and then expected to

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01:54:37.000 --> 01:54:41.000
go to a commercial phase. That's very unlikely to happen, so EST CP has geared

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to serve the purpose.'s from there, there truly is that other gap which is where

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01:54:47.000 --> 01:54:52.000
I see the FRTR is being able to play a good role, Zach , you know, you almost

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01:54:52.000 --> 01:54:57.000
see the champion of not even just a specific type

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01:54:57.000 --> 01:55:02.000
knowledge, but of the program, of the EST CP in the work that's being done to

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01:55:02.000 --> 01:55:08.000
you know, put forth the technology to your agency, or to the people that work

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with you to say you know, the stuff coming out of this program is probably worth

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your time to let it be demonstrated at your site. And we've worked, you know,

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very closely with

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01:55:27.000 --> 01:55:30.000
Gunarti over the years, and has demonstration at Navy sites. I think Gunarti,

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has

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been able to say, this is worth their time to be able to do this. That makes a

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01:55:43.000 --> 01:55:46.000
big difference in us being able to contact site managers directly. And I think

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01:55:46.000 --> 01:55:50.000
that Gunarti and FRTR is comprised of a lot of these Leon songs that would be

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01:55:50.000 --> 01:55:54.000
there to get the word out. To advance new technologies into their agencies, and

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into their consultants that work for their agencies.

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01:56:01.000 --> 01:56:04.000
>> Okay, thank you. Charles? Charles, Marie's?

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01:56:04.000 --> 01:56:07.000
EPA, do you have any thoughts?

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>> Specifically as to what FRTR can do?

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>> [ Indiscernible - muffled ]

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you know, think education, and training is very important. Getting people to

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01:56:28.000 --> 01:56:31.000
understand technologies and the circumstances that the technologies work best

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01:56:31.000 --> 01:56:38.000
at, or

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are no good at, I just don't really help out. And, I think with the EPA,

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01:56:41.000 --> 01:56:48.000
certainly

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01:56:48.000 --> 01:56:56.000
in waste and land problems, we have been super fun, as extensive training for

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01:56:56.000 --> 01:57:00.000
the RPMs to keep them abreast of any new developments

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01:57:00.000 --> 01:57:05.000
going on, not only in technology, but in risk assessment, and community

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01:57:05.000 --> 01:57:13.000
engagement, and what have you. But the better educated, and knowledgeable your

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01:57:13.000 --> 01:57:21.000
you know, your front-line people are, your project managers is

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01:57:21.000 --> 01:57:25.000
running the sites that meeting the technology and technology services, the

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better educated they are, and up to date, I think the better appreciation for

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that

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and knowledge of the newer technologies. And so that's one angle that has

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01:57:36.000 --> 01:57:41.000
worked well. Another angle that I referred to in my comments earlier

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is that we have a very vibrant robust

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support program. That really gives us advantages, and inside benefits that

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01:57:52.000 --> 01:57:56.000
benefit not only

1520
01:57:56.000 --> 01:58:03.000
of the project managers,

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01:58:03.000 --> 01:58:10.000
but that we are getting the regulatory spear

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01:58:10.000 --> 01:58:17.000
in obtaining that expert assistance that they need, but there's also that

1523
01:58:17.000 --> 01:58:24.000
networking, and communication and interlocking in which the researchers also are

1524
01:58:24.000 --> 01:58:28.000
getting information and knowledge and respect to where the real problems are

1525
01:58:28.000 --> 01:58:31.000
. And so those close connections, and we build up levels of trust amongst people

1526
01:58:31.000 --> 01:58:36.000
that understand

1527
01:58:36.000 --> 01:58:41.000
situations, understand the technologies, the possibilities for the options, and

1528
01:58:41.000 --> 01:58:48.000
you know, so it's a multipronged kind of thing. Another thing we do is doing our

1529
01:58:48.000 --> 01:58:56.000
research and planning, we have representatives from the program offices as well

1530
01:58:56.000 --> 01:59:01.000
as from the reasons that are providing input as to which directions, and what

1531
01:59:01.000 --> 01:59:09.000
those needs are, what those real-world needs are and

1532
01:59:09.000 --> 01:59:14.000
above that, it's not just like the one silver bullet, it's where you have to

1533
01:59:14.000 --> 01:59:18.000
come from different angles. And so, from FRTR perspective, we can say, this is

1534
01:59:18.000 --> 01:59:24.000
been said by others, having conferences,

1535
01:59:24.000 --> 01:59:28.000
such as this, and getting into the more technical aspects, and you know,

1536
01:59:28.000 --> 01:59:32.000
perhaps

1537
01:59:32.000 --> 01:59:36.000
having trainings

1538
01:59:36.000 --> 01:59:39.000
for folks.

1539
01:59:39.000 --> 01:59:43.000
Not only are you

1540
01:59:43.000 --> 02:00:13.000
building

1541
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about the knowledge base, but you are also billing up with the communication,and with the connections and networking of the people from the differententities, within my thoughts from the EPA perspective and sending them out to

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02:00:20.000 --> 02:00:20.000
all the agencies to multiagency perspectives that all the teams work at so youcan make those connections gain knowledge, and get perspective on things andwhen people work together and know each other, they build levels of trust, and

1543
02:00:20.000 --> 02:00:26.000
have an ability to you know, to know about the problem,and potential fixes and which ones work, in which one stone and reticularcircumstances. It all blends together. I think it's.

1544
02:00:26.000 --> 02:00:29.000
So, I have an ecological background so I think multipronged Network Systems

1545
02:00:29.000 --> 02:00:34.000
kind of

1546
02:00:34.000 --> 02:00:37.000
-- It just doesn't take one path, takes most

1547
02:00:37.000 --> 02:00:44.000
paths to be successful.

1548
02:00:44.000 --> 02:00:48.000
>> All right, thank you for, any final thoughts Trish, on activities that FRTR

1549
02:00:48.000 --> 02:00:53.000
might undertake him and that we will move

1550
02:00:53.000 --> 02:00:56.000
off of this valley of death question. We are quickly running through our

1551
02:00:56.000 --> 02:01:00.000
allotted time.

1552
02:01:00.000 --> 02:01:04.000
>> I will support what Charles is saying about education, if we can work

1553
02:01:04.000 --> 02:01:07.000
together on educating the industry and more importantly, we could use your help

1554
02:01:07.000 --> 02:01:12.000
on our

1555
02:01:12.000 --> 02:01:18.000
subsurface workshop. Because, you know, we are looking at ways we can develop a

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02:01:18.000 --> 02:01:25.000
technical basis for guidance for conducting and evaluating surveys of

1557
02:01:25.000 --> 02:01:28.000
potential radioactivity. And I think this group could be instrumental in

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helping us stimulate that guidance.

1559
02:01:31.000 --> 02:01:33.000
>> Okay, thank you.

1560
02:01:33.000 --> 02:01:38.000
>> We have had a ton of audience questions.

1561
02:01:38.000 --> 02:01:44.000
Many of them are very specific to a particular member

1562
02:01:44.000 --> 02:01:53.000
of FRTR, and I don't want to take time up with them today. These questions will

1563
02:01:53.000 --> 02:01:56.000
get sent to the appropriate agency and, if we've got your contact information,

1564
02:01:56.000 --> 02:02:02.000
you know,

1565
02:02:02.000 --> 02:02:05.000
you didn't come in as an anonymous question, we can get back as an answer on

1566
02:02:05.000 --> 02:02:09.000
that.

1567
02:02:09.000 --> 02:02:17.000
So give us a couple of weeks to do that, but it will happen.

1568
02:02:17.000 --> 02:02:47.000
>> I'm kind of sorting through all

1569
02:02:54.000 --> 02:02:55.000
of these, and there has been, I really appreciate all the input from theaudience to >> Let's see here. One question just came in, kind of early, andnext year, and the question was is there a work group that looks at prevention

1570
02:02:55.000 --> 02:02:56.000
and lessons learned from remediation and investigation of specific contaminationsites and events, or threats? Anddo they communicate that information for planning and future protection

1571
02:02:56.000 --> 02:02:59.000
customer >> To me, I'm not quite sure what planning means there, whether it's

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02:02:59.000 --> 02:03:01.000
planning remediation or something else, but his question seems to have two

1573
02:03:01.000 --> 02:03:06.000
prongs to it, one dealing with perhaps, remedy selection and optimization and

1574
02:03:06.000 --> 02:03:16.000
the other having to do with pollution prevention. So, I think I'd like to ask

1575
02:03:16.000 --> 02:03:21.000
Jeff Plumley to weigh in on this topic if you wouldn't mind a little bit.

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02:03:21.000 --> 02:03:25.000
>> Is, I want to stress that each site is different, and so, each site will have

1577
02:03:25.000 --> 02:03:31.000
its own particular idiosyncrasies and challenges, and things like that depending

1578
02:03:31.000 --> 02:03:33.000
on what the contaminant, or contaminant mixtures are, what the gerontology

1579
02:03:33.000 --> 02:03:40.000
calmest

1580
02:03:40.000 --> 02:03:46.000
hydrology, the surface extent and things like that.

1581
02:03:46.000 --> 02:03:49.000
Another thing I want to stress is that I need to defer to somebody

1582
02:03:49.000 --> 02:03:53.000
who has much more detailed knowledge about FRTR to know whether this actually a

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02:03:53.000 --> 02:03:59.000
working group. But I can see very clearly, and

1584
02:03:59.000 --> 02:04:01.000
the USGS experience, we found that even though his site is different, there are

1585
02:04:01.000 --> 02:04:06.000
sections and

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02:04:06.000 --> 02:04:11.000
certain key things where we can look for and learn lessons about one site and

1587
02:04:11.000 --> 02:04:14.000
apply them to the next site. One quick example is, the use of plugging of

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02:04:14.000 --> 02:04:21.000
draining tunnels

1589
02:04:21.000 --> 02:04:24.000
, of Lyme tunnels, and we actually have that analysis to show where it actually

1590
02:04:24.000 --> 02:04:27.000
does work, and other places where because of the site hydrology, there are a lot

1591
02:04:27.000 --> 02:04:32.000
of fractures that are stuck between the mine workings of the service that

1592
02:04:32.000 --> 02:04:35.000
actually turn up and do a sourcing and turn into a bunch of point services

1593
02:04:35.000 --> 02:04:42.000
creating a non-

1594
02:04:42.000 --> 02:04:44.000
point service. Many time utilizing the natural drainage patterns that were there

1595
02:04:44.000 --> 02:04:47.000
before mining up and started.

1596
02:04:47.000 --> 02:04:54.000
>> The other thing USGS, and one of the things that is a scientist report

1597
02:04:54.000 --> 02:04:58.000
that goes into senior management working on environmental remediation, and one

1598
02:04:58.000 --> 02:05:01.000
of the things we saw their particular contaminants that are produced by

1599
02:05:01.000 --> 02:05:07.000
different types of environmental disasters like wildfires, versus floods, versus

1600
02:05:07.000 --> 02:05:11.000
things like that. Actually, you can do quite a bit to understand what there

1601
02:05:11.000 --> 02:05:17.000
might be in the way of remediation challenges that actually impact

1602
02:05:17.000 --> 02:05:22.000
based on the knowledge of similar previous disasters. So lessons learned is

1603
02:05:22.000 --> 02:05:28.000
actually a big mama it's a big way to actually help

1604
02:05:28.000 --> 02:05:34.000
not only understand what might develop out of sight, if

1605
02:05:34.000 --> 02:05:37.000
there's an event that needs to be prevented rather than occurring or, if we can

1606
02:05:37.000 --> 02:05:41.000
help in the cleaning and the remediation.

1607
02:05:41.000 --> 02:05:44.000
>> Heather, I know you wanted to say something to this specific question.

1608
02:05:44.000 --> 02:05:47.000
>> Heather Henry?

1609
02:05:47.000 --> 02:05:51.000
>> Yeah,

1610
02:05:51.000 --> 02:05:56.000
actually I put in the chap, there is in terms of croaking groups, there is out

1611
02:05:56.000 --> 02:06:00.000
of the White House office of science and technology policy, there is an

1612
02:06:00.000 --> 02:06:08.000
emerging contaminants drinking water working group. And, they just released a FR

1613
02:06:08.000 --> 02:06:15.000
opportunity for comment on several questions related to how best to communicate

1614
02:06:15.000 --> 02:06:20.000
issues about emerging contaminants in drinking water, and then also what are

1615
02:06:20.000 --> 02:06:25.000
the research needs? So, to prevent address of prevention part of the question,

1616
02:06:25.000 --> 02:06:28.000
for our audience, I would direct you to that. And I'll just pop that through one

1617
02:06:28.000 --> 02:06:32.000
more time so it's fresh in the chat box. Thanks, Ken.

1618
02:06:32.000 --> 02:06:36.000
>> Okay,

1619
02:06:36.000 --> 02:06:39.000
Gunarti, do you have anything you wanted to add to the discussion of this

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02:06:39.000 --> 02:06:42.000
question?

1621
02:06:42.000 --> 02:06:50.000
>> Oh, I think from the end-user perspective

1622
02:06:50.000 --> 02:06:53.000
, which is basically all of us in the program, I think knowledge

1623
02:06:53.000 --> 02:07:00.000
transfer and lessons learned

1624
02:07:00.000 --> 02:07:04.000
in communication is absolutely, it has to be a two-way street. I miss and FRTR

1625
02:07:04.000 --> 02:07:13.000
definitely can play a crucial role

1626
02:07:13.000 --> 02:07:17.000
, and I mentioned earlier about the technology matrix, and just the simplicity

1627
02:07:17.000 --> 02:07:20.000
of it, which is make it so useful. And, if we can all make sure that whatever

1628
02:07:20.000 --> 02:07:28.000
we've done in our program, and

1629
02:07:28.000 --> 02:07:33.000
in terms of implementing technologies, what lessons learned, what's the

1630
02:07:33.000 --> 02:07:39.000
performance, what's the cause you know, whatever focus area we are on, we can

1631
02:07:39.000 --> 02:07:41.000
make sure that we maintain that currency and the relevancy of the tech analogy

1632
02:07:41.000 --> 02:07:47.000
metrics in it.

1633
02:07:47.000 --> 02:07:56.000
It probably we can get expended. I think that would help a lot. Because, our

1634
02:07:56.000 --> 02:07:59.000
remedial project managers in the field, they would have to tackle so many

1635
02:07:59.000 --> 02:08:06.000
competing priorities, and

1636
02:08:06.000 --> 02:08:14.000
just the ability to be able to just go to a simple matrix similar to what FRTR

1637
02:08:14.000 --> 02:08:20.000
is currently offering. When his current, and we all can make sure that it's

1638
02:08:20.000 --> 02:08:27.000
current, then I think it will be a great help. So, we can just

1639
02:08:27.000 --> 02:08:33.000
-- So it's like a one-way stop like a

1640
02:08:33.000 --> 02:08:40.000
place where we can just go there and find our information.

1641
02:08:40.000 --> 02:08:44.000
>> Okay, I'm going to check in with Jean here, how are we doing on time, Jean?

1642
02:08:44.000 --> 02:08:47.000
Are we about it to the point where we need to turn this off?

1643
02:08:47.000 --> 02:08:50.000
>> Yes, we are definitely at or about that point.

1644
02:08:50.000 --> 02:08:54.000
>> [ Laughter ]

1645
02:08:54.000 --> 02:08:58.000
>> There are a lot of really good questions here, just want to ensure everybody

1646
02:08:58.000 --> 02:09:03.000
that's participating in attending this today that we would take these

1647
02:09:03.000 --> 02:09:06.000
questions and input and we take it seriously, and if there is a question that

1648
02:09:06.000 --> 02:09:13.000
perhaps you have that

1649
02:09:13.000 --> 02:09:19.000
you are not getting an answer to, and it's not specific to a particular agency,

1650
02:09:19.000 --> 02:09:25.000
contact what the heck, you can contact me

1651
02:09:25.000 --> 02:09:28.000
, or Jean, or any of the members of the steering committee. And you know, we

1652
02:09:28.000 --> 02:09:34.000
will try to get some information back to you.

1653
02:09:34.000 --> 02:09:42.000
>> The goal of this, again, is to gather information and then move on to a plan

1654
02:09:42.000 --> 02:09:47.000
for the coming but said years. So, I think I'll draw this discussion to a

1655
02:09:47.000 --> 02:09:52.000
close. I think we could go on a couple more hours if we have the time. We don't.

1656
02:09:52.000 --> 02:09:59.000
And so, I want to thank all of our panelists today

1657
02:09:59.000 --> 02:10:07.000
. I really appreciate the effort you put into this. So that,

1658
02:10:07.000 --> 02:10:13.000
thank you. I'm going to the program over to

1659
02:10:13.000 --> 02:10:16.000
Dan Powell. There he is, my pleasure to introduce Dan pol from the EPA will

1660
02:10:16.000 --> 02:10:24.000
provide the final presentation. Dan is kind of wearing

1661
02:10:24.000 --> 02:10:27.000
two hats now at the EPA. But in general, he leads efforts to promote awareness

1662
02:10:27.000 --> 02:10:33.000
and use of best practice of innovative

1663
02:10:33.000 --> 02:10:36.000
technology for site cleanup and hazardous waste sites across EPA's waste

1664
02:10:36.000 --> 02:10:43.000
programs. He manages education technology support information program to support

1665
02:10:43.000 --> 02:10:46.000
project managers with the EPA state, and local levels. He's been with the

1666
02:10:46.000 --> 02:10:50.000
technology information program now and part of files offices Superfund

1667
02:10:50.000 --> 02:10:53.000
remediation technology and remediation since 1990 which is probably about the

1668
02:10:53.000 --> 02:10:57.000
time he got involved with

1669
02:10:57.000 --> 02:10:59.000
the FRTR, I suppose. He joined the agency a couple of years earlier , he worked

1670
02:10:59.000 --> 02:11:05.000
in several offices and

1671
02:11:05.000 --> 02:11:09.000
programs, held the Masters in Public administration from the University of

1672
02:11:09.000 --> 02:11:12.000
Virginia, Roanoke. And he has a nice screen behind them so

1673
02:11:12.000 --> 02:11:15.000
there you go Dan.

1674
02:11:15.000 --> 02:11:19.000
>> Thank you very much. I appreciate that. And just

1675
02:11:19.000 --> 02:11:25.000
those who cannot stay, this is my experience working in the roundtable since

1676
02:11:25.000 --> 02:11:28.000
the fall of 1990. So, it's always great to hear

1677
02:11:28.000 --> 02:11:32.000
the perspective of folks who just realize all the smart people that we work

1678
02:11:32.000 --> 02:11:36.000
with not on the roundtable, but with people

1679
02:11:36.000 --> 02:11:42.000
that participating this roundtable meetings

1680
02:11:42.000 --> 02:11:45.000
two. It's always a delightful thing.

1681
02:11:45.000 --> 02:11:48.000
>> One point I want to make your before we spent a lot of time talking about

1682
02:11:48.000 --> 02:11:53.000
technology engineering, and elements of remediation, which it is, but you know,

1683
02:11:53.000 --> 02:11:59.000
one of the things with the roundtable, that hits home to me and particularly for

1684
02:11:59.000 --> 02:12:02.000
my background in public demonstration, we are all public agents, we also the

1685
02:12:02.000 --> 02:12:07.000
Conservancy. And

1686
02:12:07.000 --> 02:12:15.000
the collaboration, we build on each other as maybe the

1687
02:12:15.000 --> 02:12:18.000
epitome of good public ministration. You know, we've had our successes, and

1688
02:12:18.000 --> 02:12:20.000
without of the place where we haven't been as successful, but we continue to try

1689
02:12:20.000 --> 02:12:23.000
to strive to, most effectively cleanup these weight sites that leverage the

1690
02:12:23.000 --> 02:12:30.000
investments the public is making in these technologies.

1691
02:12:30.000 --> 02:12:33.000
>> Jean, if you go to the next light, not to go too far into the sly, because

1692
02:12:33.000 --> 02:12:37.000
we've heard a lot of

1693
02:12:37.000 --> 02:12:42.000
about this over the course, and maybe, you can go ahead and hit that, it's kind

1694
02:12:42.000 --> 02:12:47.000
of the nice view, we talk about the "Valley of death

1695
02:12:47.000 --> 02:12:50.000
,", sounds anonymous. But when you're standing back it's not so bad depending on

1696
02:12:50.000 --> 02:12:55.000
your perspective. If you could go through, and there we go, the concept of this

1697
02:12:55.000 --> 02:13:00.000
idea of the Valley of death, is this research scale, it's been

1698
02:13:00.000 --> 02:13:05.000
piloted as a scale, will begin to, you know, getting into prime time, and

1699
02:13:05.000 --> 02:13:12.000
getting people who are actually cleaning up the sides for what they need.

1700
02:13:12.000 --> 02:13:15.000
Really, think you heard about a lot of the challenges on the people on the

1701
02:13:15.000 --> 02:13:18.000
right side of the valley and a lot of the solutions coming from the left side of

1702
02:13:18.000 --> 02:13:21.000
the valley, now you get that. And I think the roundtable for providing some of

1703
02:13:21.000 --> 02:13:24.000
the information exchange, again some of the leveraging and work and experience

1704
02:13:24.000 --> 02:13:27.000
and ability to leverage that experience.

1705
02:13:27.000 --> 02:13:35.000
>> While we are not to bridge the Valley, while we are not going to

1706
02:13:35.000 --> 02:13:39.000
drive people to the Valley, I think we can provide some of the tools that

1707
02:13:39.000 --> 02:13:42.000
people need to get there. I think the two parts I want to emphasize this, you

1708
02:13:42.000 --> 02:13:48.000
know, number one from the user side, is

1709
02:13:48.000 --> 02:13:50.000
your first panel, you know, we need to be clear about what we need in terms of

1710
02:13:50.000 --> 02:13:53.000
the technologies and be specific in identifying our information needs, our

1711
02:13:53.000 --> 02:13:56.000
technology needs, and what is going to take to get that acceptance. And then on

1712
02:13:56.000 --> 02:13:59.000
the other side, and the research site, think it's a matter of understanding what

1713
02:13:59.000 --> 02:14:07.000
those needs are, and what are the realities which

1714
02:14:07.000 --> 02:14:10.000
are in the middle of that valley and we start to get out to the side and

1715
02:14:10.000 --> 02:14:14.000
realize some of the challenges you're facing are both technical, logistical,

1716
02:14:14.000 --> 02:14:17.000
administrative, you know, and how you can get through that. So, Jean, we will

1717
02:14:17.000 --> 02:14:22.000
just skip ahead one more slide and move on to the next slide. They go.

1718
02:14:22.000 --> 02:14:25.000
>> I think that the point here, is that typically, the research pipeline, or

1719
02:14:25.000 --> 02:14:32.000
path so to speak moves from basic

1720
02:14:32.000 --> 02:14:36.000
unit, you see the five kind of primary stages that the people use for a lot of

1721
02:14:36.000 --> 02:14:40.000
years to point that out. I think it's not necessarily --

1722
02:14:40.000 --> 02:14:44.000
You need to view it more as cyclical and feedback loops and things like that.

1723
02:14:44.000 --> 02:14:49.000
It's not a real process. As you move to each stage of the process, you are

1724
02:14:49.000 --> 02:14:54.000
moving away from the been scaled to getting some access to do further research

1725
02:14:54.000 --> 02:14:59.000
in the field, to scaling up, to highlight skill, to actually doing some

1726
02:14:59.000 --> 02:15:02.000
real liability testing and demonstration, and full-scale use, you are

1727
02:15:02.000 --> 02:15:11.000
constantly

1728
02:15:11.000 --> 02:15:14.000
learning. I think the roundtable serves a valuable role, you know, as you've

1729
02:15:14.000 --> 02:15:17.000
heard some different programs that are out there, from such great work and

1730
02:15:17.000 --> 02:15:20.000
sharing information, and understanding. We took the technology of the field, and

1731
02:15:20.000 --> 02:15:26.000
when we found out that for example, the wells are getting filed. What we need to

1732
02:15:26.000 --> 02:15:31.000
do to fix that problem. So what kind of instrument, do we

1733
02:15:31.000 --> 02:15:37.000
cause interference, what he expecting to encounter, and

1734
02:15:37.000 --> 02:15:43.000
what we do with that question mark in one of the things we've learned over 30

1735
02:15:43.000 --> 02:15:46.000
years, each project is like a push you through that process. It's a continuing

1736
02:15:46.000 --> 02:15:49.000
learning process. On the other hand one of the areas around technology that the

1737
02:15:49.000 --> 02:15:52.000
community

1738
02:15:52.000 --> 02:15:55.000
continues to demonstrate his commitment to innovation. It's not always be

1739
02:15:55.000 --> 02:15:59.000
successful, but when it

1740
02:15:59.000 --> 02:16:03.000
is successful, there are parameters for us to continue to share that

1741
02:16:03.000 --> 02:16:08.000
information so that people doing research can understand what others

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who've experienced that of gone there before, and maybe can work on that. Next

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slide please.

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>> And the other part here, is really the understanding, it is

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where there are silver bullets and the like, where there's one technology,

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where one size fits all. Sites are different. Even added

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different site individual site, you may need to decide what you can use this

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technology and what it's going to take for them

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to understand if it's successful and useful. What it will going to do when we

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talked about some communities we are dealing with it to make sure that they

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understand the

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objective, how to push it forward? You know, again, understanding those

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information needs, and respond to those, again have the access to share

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information. And that the concept of the research being spread out. You know,

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there is a lot of work going on. Not at the private level, but

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private sector, agencies, funding how can we get into the place where we

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encourage each other with the information

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results, and instead of duplicating

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results. And this is where the roundtable started, we were investing a lot of

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money in the 90s to do this kind of research with a lot of project going on. How

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do you build that information base so that we continue to build on each other,

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and we can move.

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>> Next slide.

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>> So anyway, again, you've heard this over the course of the past couple of

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days, you know, what are the keys here, Chuck, Charles mentioned this, the

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technical support, that element, you know, again it's important to make sure

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that the people

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we are using the technologies just don't have the information that tells them

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what to do, they haven't just taken the training, but they are able to get

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support on applying the technology. The roundtables done a lot of work in that

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area. We've got some object information character ration to share, we show that

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information expertise with one another. Training resources are very important.

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We are trying to issue this training programs, certification programs and making

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sure people have training resources that are in the depth of that they need and

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they are in the ability that they need, and I think last year, Mark was talking

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about, you know, the younger generation and how they report and things like

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that. I think we've all changed how we learn

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. And I think those changes are going to become permanent. So how do we continue

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to provide those training resources in the play that people can use them. And

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then the information exchange, clearinghouse,

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databases, the cause of the performance information, how do we make it

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available and make it easily accessible so people can use it? I think the

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roundtable feels that particularly in your agency cooperation we've gotten over

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the years, and you know, we've had a lot of good work over the past 30 years,

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but we want to keep on in the series and figure out what we're doing to move

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forward so we can can keep it and this will be the slide.

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Never went, what's happening in the last year, and one we had great discussions

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leading up to these two meetings. And we continue to have some great effort

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unit, over the course of the next several months to take that input, not just

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from each other, but also as we receive it from folks, who participated in these

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in his right and

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figure out where were to be in the next five, 10, hopefully 30 years from now.

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[ Laughter ] you know, and again, we identify with the sort of goals are in

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terms of both the content of our meetings, but also what sort of projects, there

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subgroups that we need to work on to move forward?

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>> Where going to these many, we can plan to put them together using PowerPoint

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presentations, you don't have to sit here and record in the eye curves,

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hopefully those who participant in the past we'll continue to follow on federal

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roundtable presents, webinars, platform there, that either reduce some of these

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presentations with the

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particular people that miss them allows us to archive them. But also if there's

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some new topics that we know of, we can go off of the existing recitation and

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supply those. We are going to be doing media reports and can mentioned

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summarizing the findings and putting that out there for folks

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and again looking for other sort of you know,

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other topics we'd be looking for, are there some collaborative endeavors

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that we can work out some of those for the past 30 years of focusing on

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specific topics whether it's developing training or guidance, or developing you

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know, collaborative projects in the field. We can look at all of all these

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things. >>

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So, that's kind of it. I'm trying to wrap up here, we have gone behind time,

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Jenny you can slide that last line here, it was mentioned in the last

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presentation. I'm just going to reiterate that. The federal agency responded to

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identifying some of these challenges and need and whatever's going to take two

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advanced technologies for our vision for the roundtable, we responded to that.

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You know, we gave brief snippets of the presentations, you will see some more

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papers right following this meeting, but you know, close-up thoughts or

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questions they forgot to ask, or a comment they wanted to make, please you know,

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feel free to provide that to us. We would love to hear that again, where

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our public agencies, these are all

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public agencies, we can take these back. So that being said, that we are going

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to wind down here and handed back to Jean you know, I think I just want to

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express my appreciation to the speakers,

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that we heard last weekend this week. And people who supported them in putting

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these presentations together. The organizers, you know, the folks like Jean

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monitoring all the focus people in

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behind-the-scenes too, they put this on, they know what's going on behind the

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scenes. And you know, all those things, that heard

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thinking just not at this meeting, but of course the last 30 minutes of

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existence, 30 years of existence that

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pulled together to make this happen. I express my appreciation for not just the

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work being done here, but the ability, and the honor to work with all the folks

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that we work with over the years has really been something I really do treasure.

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So

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, with that, I'm good handed back to Jean.

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>> All right, thank you so very much Dan, I do appreciate that. I'm going to

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walk through just a few quick final reminders for everyone so we can close out

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the day. So the first thing I want to do is just remind everybody, you heard the

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fluid website direct I encourage you to visit us at the website on the page. At

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>> So, please be sure to

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>> Our session today was recorded just like part one. We will post it on the

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current archive page. It usually takes us about a week or so, but you will be

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able to replay the entire set of dialogs of both part one and part two. We was

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sending out a follow-up link to those archives as soon as they're available

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wish to do so. With that, I want to echo the thanks, we did have an

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international group of attendees, we had nearly 250 people on for the live

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event. I want to thank

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all of you and each and everyone of you who joined us for today's session so

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with that, I will go ahead and formally conclude today's live broadcast. And I

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hope that you will have us on in a new session sometime in the future.